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Old 27-10-2006, 21:54   #1 (permalink)
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Edit Vs Original...........................

Not sure if this is the right place to post, but here goes anyhow...........

How does everyone feel about editing pictures to "improve" the apearance of said photos. My personal view is that if the original photo is in some way flawed, then it spurs me on, to try and improve, the next time I attempt a similar shot. I never delete old pictures (the 8 DVD's full of photos is testament to this), and have never gotten on with any kind of photo editing software..........

What are others opinions?
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Old 27-10-2006, 22:11   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

i tend to agree, i think its the best way to learn, a small amount of editing is ok, usually to take out something unsightly in the background or cropping things out, but like you i tend not to like editing too much, and so time consuming, if i`m on the computer too long the kids tend to moan anyway, and if i do manage something i can never remember what i did for the next time.
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Old 27-10-2006, 22:26   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

I edit everything but try to remember what could be improved when I next take a similar shot. I think digital photo's need at least sharpening, something to do with the way the sensor processes the information.
I believe the good and the wise photographers (of which I do not yet include myself!!) do most of their editing before they take the photo.
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Old 27-10-2006, 22:55   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

I think it is down to the individual when it comes to post-processing.A lot of it depends on what you are trying to achieve.Personally i try to do as little editing as possible(curves,colour cast,crop).I realise this cannot always be done ,but i try to leave myself room to crop when i take a picture.
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

I think it comes down to personal choice for the end user. What does the "person" want to be able to achieve?
1. an end result they can frame and it does'nt matter how they obtained it. ie post processing skills.
2. an end result they can frame and are pleased with the fact that they obtained it via good photography skills.
3. an end result they can frame obtained with good photography and post processing skills.

I have been taking photos for over 25 years and many of the techniques used in photoshop today have been used in darkrooms for years - dodge/burn, over/under developing, sepia toning, croping etc. Granted we are now able to do much more and do it
quciker, but the fact remains that most photographers over the years, at some stage do something "extra" to their work prior to the end result. How much work you do on them is up to you.

I have photos I have changed large areas, like adding new skys etc, or photos that I've not done anymore than crop, but as long as I like the finished result I'm happy.

I feel when I work on my pictures after their taken, this helps me improve my photography because I'm looking to make improvements with the camera every time I take a shot.

With all that said, for me there is nothing better than taking a photo that you can frame knowing it's came straight from the camera.
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Old 28-10-2006, 08:33   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

This is an old chestnut that's been discussed before and will crop up again. I think Cotter has the gist of what I think particularly in that a lot of editing techniques are simply computerised methods of what used to be achieved in the darkroom.

To me it's a case of what you are wanting to achieve and whether that is an honest representation. For example if a wildlife photographer sells a shot of a tiger with the Himalayas n the background it can be construed as a good photograph. But what if he took a photo of a tiger in the zoo and superimposes it onto a stock photo of the mountains? That is misrepresentation and, to me, is more than just editing.

I think there is a subtle difference between a photograph which is enhanced by editing techniques and an image which is "created" by graphic design and editing software. I used to have a link to a site where the owner created a portrait, purely digitally, and you'd be hard-pushed to tell it isn't a photograph. In the end it's down to your own honesty and integrity - after all you are only deluding yourself. Get the shot right in the camera and your need for editing is minimal.
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

Hi - I agree in some respects about the natural state of a photograph, hoever, some folk are more adept at post processing than the actual photography side. For me, as a fairly new learner to digital photography I am learning everyday but I don't have the expertise yet to take 'great ' photos every time, there fore I do use Photoshop to 'warm' up my shots and potentially some useless looking pics have actually turned out to be not bad nat all. I would agree that if a composition/scene is changed by adding stuff - which did not exist in the first place - to it to make a photo look better or more exciting - then that takes away from the photographic side. However, I am enjoying learning about taking better photos's but I also enjoy the craft of post processing also. Cheers Maddie
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

Well, all pics need processing - as has been said, at the very least sharpening.

I tend to see what is required based on what the image suggests to me. More often these days that's very little - although I can't honestly say I remember trying to get it right in-camera........... so it must be magic!

Will clone out unsightly or distracting items - if it doesn't make the subject unrecognisable. Tho', again, I tend to do it less and less - convince myself it looks better but really think it's CBA!
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

Things have changed so much with the advent of digital - this is why I admire some of the super slides entered in our camera club competitions where there is no opportunity for post processing. With my Rollei TLR I would spend ages trying to frame up and compose an image and had a full frame view but with so many modern cameras and wearing specs one does not get full frame from in the viewfinder so cropping is essential.
Photoshop is wonderful and can change a "record" into a picture that gives you and hopefully others pleasure. It is all part of an art - albeit a modern one called "painting with pixels" . . . Just enjoy and don't feel guilty!
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

I try not to edit too often. I really want to be able to get the result I am looking for with just me and my camera and if that fails then photoshop it is!
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I find that usually even a good framed shot can benefit from some form of editing .

I tend to print the picture and stick it on the wall for a couple of days, there is always some way that I want to change it afterwards.
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Old 30-10-2006, 21:14   #12 (permalink)
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I don't process my shots much
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Re: Edit Vs Original...........................

If you want to get busy with Photoshop go ahead.

If you want to stick with what you get out of the camera, go ahead.

If you want to just tweak the colour and contrast, go ahead.

BUT DON'T take a superior attitude over others because you think your way is the 'right' way!

As Stepheno said, this is a well-worn path in that it comes up again and again and I can understand why. For some of us the world of photography is one we have enjoyed for decades and we cut our teeth using the Zenit-E, Kiev 88, Kodak Brownie or whatever that we first got as a wide-eyed youngster desperate to go out and take photos. We got into developing, first with monochrome and then slides. Some of us then went the whole hog and started processing and printing our colour shots as well. We had a lot to learn and we lapped it up reading every book we could find in the library and by making loads of mistakes and learning from them.

Since those days, we have got digital cameras, Photoshop, and coined the new term 'Lightroom' and at first, only a few years ago, people thought they could take a naff picture and then glorify it on the computer and people would look and say 'Wow, what a great picture!' But we have again moved on to today where we know that there is a lot more to Photoshop than adjustng sharpness and saturation. We also know that we can't fool people easily. If we are going to clone something out, we have to do it right. If we are going to put a new sky on something, we need to get that right or it is pretty easy to spot.

In short, I had to learn a lot in the darkroom and I have had to learn just as much to use my 'lightroom' effectively. And guess what.... I've got a whole load more to learn yet!

When we post-process a photo, we do because using our skill and photographers eyes we can see a better picture in there and will apply that knowledge to making that picture. At the end of it all, the picture is just as valid no matter what path it took to get there. If it came straight from the camera, great. That is certainly what most of us aim for. After all, who in their right mind chooses to spend more time than necessary cleaning up a picture if they could have done all that in the first place? A few die-hard PS users who see that as their main hobby perhaps.

I put new skies on old pictures in the darkroom, I now do that in the lightroom. I cloned, burnt in, enlarged, cropped, saturated, blurred and double-exposed shots in the darkroom and now I do all that in the lightroom. The methods have changed and yes, become a lot easier a lot of the time, but the other thing it has become is a whole lot less expensive as I don't have to use up loads of sheets of Ilford Multigrade in trial and error to get what I wanted!

Nobody has a monopoly on what is right or wrong. There isn't a rule book telling us what we can and can't do in this glorious hobby of ours. Let's all enjoy it for what it is: a means to an end. The end is having excellent pictures (hopefully) to frame, put into slideshows and give to our family and friends.

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Well summed up Rob
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I used to hate the processing side of photography, I've always been afraid of the dark(room)

I use photoshop for several aplications from basic photo editing to graphic design.

Most of the work I do in photoshop is "normal" editing, tweaking shots to maximise impact. I've taken about 100Gb (30,000shots) of motocross shots this season, most of these shots have needed some kind of quick editing. It normal takes me about 30s to prosess a shot with the use of hoykeys and batch actions. These shots are still the original shot once processed, just more refined.

When I'm not processing 1000s of MX shots I sometimes spend hours on photoshop playing with perfectly good photographs to get them just the way I like them. I see it as an art form, I often start with a blank "canvus" in photoshop and then add bits of photos to build up a picture. If the end result is an image that I find pleasing to the eye then I feel that it is time well spent!
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I would love to get my pictures right first time in camera.. but hey i bet that goes for all of us at some point., while in principle i agree the less processing the better, sometimes it just isnt practicle..... lack of equipment...... wrong lighting...... no time to wait the list goes on, so where do we turn if not to the computer ( or darkroom) . the other way i look at it is that photoediting on computer is part of photography...... if you take a hobby say golf...you dont just stick to the putting greens......... you want to do the whole thing..... and thats the main reason i use photoshop so much, because i want to KNOW how to use it properly and effectively and the ONLY way to do that is to get the hands on and use it! It may seem to some folks that most of my shots have been manipulated, but i have many many more shots never been touched by photoediting tools, i just dont show them as often!
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