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Old 16-04-2013, 09:24   #1 (permalink)
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I have just got a Canon EOS 1Ds Mk3 and the images are great. They do however take up a lot of HD space, my first images of some birds when converted from RAW to Tiff are 120 MB! They are 14bit colour and measure 5616 X3744 which translates to 47.55 X 31.70 cm without interpolation or resizing.
(Images from my old 1Ds Mk2 were 47MB)
I think I will save the RAWS on my Lacie external HD and keep an 8 bit version on my other HD. What do others do with large file size images?
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Old 16-04-2013, 09:39   #2 (permalink)
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I've opted to shoot in 12 bit by default and edit my files in 16 bit tiffs. Those I keep long term I convert to 8 bit tiffs. This means that a 70-ish mb 16 bit tiff will end up as a 34.5 mb tiff on the hard drive.

I wonder how big the file sizes are from a D800? Maybe Grease spot could enlighten me.

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Old 16-04-2013, 09:54   #3 (permalink)
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I don't use tiffs except on rare occasions. I shoot MRAW, convert to JPG and save both jpg and raw files. Jpgs are saved at about 1mb per image and raws at 15-18 mb per image. I backup to a 1Tb desktop and to dvd - storage isn't a problem and for me I don't think it's likely to be.

I wouldn't like to be saving and backing up 120mg images
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Old 16-04-2013, 10:40   #4 (permalink)
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Similar to Stephen I do not use TIFFs unless I have to i.e. where a program requires it - e.g. building panos, or some printing labs. I download lossless compressed 16bit RAW from the D800 (approx. 45Mb) and store any work that I want to continue using as a different meta-stage from TIFF ... equivalent of using Photoshop's file format. This gives me the most flexibility to work on the file later as I can tag layers and history. If necessary I can build TIFFs from this but not the other way round. As yet I have not got a fully automated workflow, but I'm looking into it.

Likewise storage is not a problem - I have a 3Tb mirror setup for my photos alone, which should avoid immediate failure during the day, with automated nightly incremental backups of the system.

I've not thought to specifically save the RAW files independently. As for using DVDs, having had magnetic tape last longer than CDs I'm not convinced of the durability of DVDs and their players. I started copying to CDs and the to DVDs but find that the risks involved are just as great as an external disk, which is what I use. At the first hint of trouble it gets swapped out. I do not have a fast enough Internet connection to consider backing up to a cloud.

Straight out of the D800 the sizes aren't too bad at around 45Mb lossless compressed, 70Mb uncompressed, and 108Mb for TIFF. The TIFF takes just over 3secs to save to the card . I started with lossless compressed RAW on the D300s at 12Mb each (TiFF = 37Mb), purely as the most economical way to work both in terms of cost and speed.
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I only take Raw and only keep the last 3 years worth on my HD (I rarely go back more than 2 years anyway). Of course older Raw files are backed up on external drives at least twice. From the Raw files I create a 16 bit TIFF and, if I may edit further, I keep it as a 16 bit TIFF or PSD. For most I finally convert to an 8 bit TIFF for archiving. If I ever need a JPEG file, I produce as required by LR Export but do not store JPEGs long term.

Over three computers and external drives, I probably have access to nearly 12 T Bytes of hard drive.
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to avoid the mac getting bogged down with my attempts I purchased an Apple time capsule 2TB of backup, of which I have partitioned 10gb off for recent photographs and the rest is an automatic backup for all the computes well 2 now the daughters moved out , come to think about it I have a lot more free space .
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I use RAW and convert to JPEG only. Back up the RAW and JPEGs to harddrive.

JPEGs much smaller in size due to compression.
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I use a duel set TB hard drives, and only up date once a year to both to save by year. I have a working back up drive if I do some work that is not mine or is a classic case of good work, I'll copy there and at the end of year copy over to my set of drives. I have tried to keep my raw files under 16 megs cause I work between 5 to 16 megs from cameras. I hate Tiffs and only use them when software requires it, then it gets thrash were it belongs now anyway. Anything I work on for normal use gets saved as a PSD. All the pictures I keep off cameras are raw and some keep a tag file. I wish they would out law Tiff so developers would use better file formats.
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My raw files are around 4 gigabytes in size (4,000,000 KB as Windows Explorer has it) which convert to about 1/10th of this size as tiffs (typically around 24,000x30,000 pixels). Note that I'm scanning from 5x4 film.

I use a RAID system with 2 3T drives to hold the scans (raw, spotted, processed etc) with an automatic backup run nightly to a server (also with RAID) and an external USB drive (3T also). Smaller files from digital cameras are also stored on another USB drive, a copy of which is kept in our caravan.

I'm not proof against a fire, but so far as the 5x4s (and 6x7s) go, I can alway rescan the negatives in the event of all the drives dying.

I'm not a massive user of film - I'll typically spend 30 mins or so deciding before making an exposure - so I don't produce thousands of images. That said, my 5x4s do run into the hundreds.
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RAW -> 16bit TIFF workfile (some layered images go up to 500+MB)
-> RAW on external drive
-> RAW + edited 16bit TIFF Cloud

Have 5TB of working drive, 11TB of external backups and, to date, a mere 250GB Cloud

Old working drives become backups when I start running out of work space on a drive
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Thanks for that chaps, I will try some of the suggestions and save to my PC as 8 bit (60Mb) and the RAW and 14 bit to my twin RAID external HDs. Stephen, they are BIG files! It must take a lot of work from conception to finished image, you are obviously dedicated to your art.
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Some time ago I was present at an incident and there were a lot of press and TV cameras about taking pictures and I got talking to a photographer from Magum who was in his car sending his pictures back to base via laptop and mobile and this interested me and we got talking. I forget what camera he had but it was 20mp and I asked why he needed such a high resolution when he was shooting in JPEG for a newspaper surely a lot less would do the same job. He agreed with me as far as quality went but where the big resolution came in was he was able to do very large crops and still get a decent picture. For instance in a riot, where he could not get too close, if there was a wee scroat in the bottom right hand corner throwing a petrol bomb he could crop that and still have a decent enough image for the news or handing to the Police who might have a chance to recognise him otherwise 10-12 mp is quite enough unless one is into very large prints, which few of us are.
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I agree Colin, indeed I use a 1DMk2N wich is 8.5Mpx and gives super images up to A3 which is my "normal" print size. However the 1Ds Mk 3 is great for the very reason you mention, (cropping) as I shoot from a mobility scooter I cant always get close, or at the right angle so I can crop and still get a decent image.
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I agree Colin, indeed I use a 1DMk2N wich is 8.5Mpx and gives super images up to A3 which is my "normal" print size. However the 1Ds Mk 3 is great for the very reason you mention, (cropping) as I shoot from a mobility scooter I cant always get close, or at the right angle so I can crop and still get a decent image.
Thats what you need, horses for courses. Beef up the storage and enjoy. I still work on my Canon 20D @ 8mp which is fine the only thing now I am like yourself not too moblle but still on my feet so my pictures are from the side of the road or similar so sometimes need a crop. I would really need an upgrade.
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I just have a lot of storage, keep what I'm working on currently on the PC & rest goes onto backup drives. I usually keep the RAW file, the converted TIFF & the web image if one has been created. I just get more memory when I need it or when I see a drive on offer.
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Hi Colin, sorry I'm a bit late replying but had a few "bad days" my arthritus has now progressed to my neck and spine. As you and Whipspeed suggested I have got another HD to store my images on, so I would need to loose 3 HDs to loose them. (belt & braces job). Re your need to update, have you considered used? Most recent Canons in EFS fit are 18Mp now and you could get a good one with 6 moths warranty from the likes of MPB or Camtech etc.
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