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Old 18-11-2008, 23:53   #1 (permalink)
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heres a question i dont hear asked that much any more, what format do you feel is best, film or digital, and why?
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Re: Film or Digital, & Why

I think there was a massive discussion on this on here if you do a search....
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Old 19-11-2008, 01:11   #3 (permalink)
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theres a smaller and much more intimate one now
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Nothing can beat a 5 x 4 view camera if (a) you can get the film, (b) you have someone to carry it, (c) you really do get it right first time and (d) you're not into sports photography.

The situation has changed almost beyond belief during the last few years. Modern digital cameras offer higher resolution (grain size) than film, especially at high ISO, and greater dynamic range. You can also simulate the colour balance of various films in post-processing.

Unless you relish the anticipation of waiting to see if your photos have turned out OK, there is really no reason now to shoot with film. Even firms like Hasselblad have gone digital.

Film was great! So were floppy disks, compact cassettes and Box Brownies. We've moved on, so all you have to do now is find a way of keeping your 'negatives' so that your great-great-grandchildren will be able to see them.
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I know you 'said' that already Silky, but it deserved another grin

I started on digital, so it's all I know

How's that reply for 'small and intimate'
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I know you 'said' that already Silky, but it deserved another grin

I started on digital, so it's all I know

How's that reply for 'small and intimate'
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Old 19-11-2008, 08:22   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Film or Digital, & Why

Digital, its the new format, latest technology, better, cheaper (in the long run) and gives the average person much more control from start to finish by means of post processing via the computer.

Film was great, but so was betamax and look where that is now
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Old 19-11-2008, 16:10   #8 (permalink)
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Started on film not about 1 1/2 years before digital came on the seen didn't know to much then & still don't now.
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Old 19-11-2008, 16:23   #9 (permalink)
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Film was great but expensive. Also the two stage process of developing the negative and then the printing gave much more variation. You were never ever certain unitl you got the set of shots developed that they would be ok.
My film camera had multi shutter release but was never used because of the price of film stock.

I have to say that now I have a digital camera and can take virtually unlimited number of "takes" my overall pictures are not as good generally as when I took more care not to waste the film stock. I suppose I would call this "Editing through the Viewfinder"?

Having said this I would never go back to film. I have an an observation on the actual lens quality for digital aps sensors I don,t think many come up to the quality of the lenses that I had and used with my 35mm SLR.

I find the distortion is far greater and the sharpness variable.
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Old 19-11-2008, 18:28   #10 (permalink)
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Film without a shred of reason or logic to back it up.
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Old 19-11-2008, 19:04   #11 (permalink)
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Digital on sheer quantity, film on sheer quality

If you strung all the digital shots in the world together you'd get an exceedingly long line of banality!
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Old 19-11-2008, 19:25   #12 (permalink)
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well as i have never used anything BUT digital i will have to say digital!
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Re: Film or Digital, & Why

Film: Quality (becoming debatable), achievement, understanding
Digital: film ( - achievement [printing etc]) + Practicality, speed, gadgets, experimentation, increasingly also quality...

You use what you use, for your own reasons, there's no right answer I don't think
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Film :
Quality of composition (not so much of a machine gun approach!).
Higher dynamic range (negatives) in single exposure,
Colour and Quality (Slide) - I still don't think you can beat Velvia for landscapes etc!
Much better in coping with reciprocal failure (i.e long low light shots).
Hard drive storage space! (unless like me you scan them in )
My film camera is full frame and has multi exposure.
Cost of cameras - full pro specs for compact prices (no upgrade every year for latest specs ). And lens if you go for an older manual version.
Nobody can see you've messed up the shot in the field..

Digital:
Useful to see exposure when using flash.
Can check exposure in the field.
Cost per shot. Though I will say if you can develop your own this is not overly costly now.
Probably better for action shots where quantity may be important in getting that shot.

Overall very much a matter of personal choice, at the end of the day you are capturing light on some medium.
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My first slr was one of the early Practicas many years ago and I used to process B&W and later on a little colour printing but I don't want to return to those days, messy B&W chemicals and positively LETHAL colour chemicals. The only people that saw my images were a few friends.
I welcome the digital age with open arms.
No mess, rapid results, you have to be a "machine gunner" to get through a couple of 4mb cards in a day so you are not thinking to the power of 36.
Sure the digital sales machine churns out lots of new models with very little difference to the last one but step back a bit, say five years, and see how fast things ARE improving. However you have not to get carried away with all the hype and select what you need rather than what they tell you you need.
With regard to the earlier comment about old lenses the sharpest optic I have is a 50mm Minolta f 1.7 that fits my Sony. I sometimes wonder if the fast 50mm "digital" lenses on offer are just repackaged 35mm standard lenses.
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Digital: total editorial control.
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If you strung all the digital shots in the world together you'd get an exceedingly long line of banality!
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Film without a shred of reason or logic to back it up.
Absolutely the best reason.
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Film without a shred of reason or logic to back it up.
That's very astute, nobody can ever prove you wrong

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I suppose the question is really quite academic.Digital is now firmly established and is the future. Just as film made the glass plate redundant so will digital ,make film (if it has not already done so).Digital has opened up photography to the masses, I should think everybody has a digital camera in one form or another and if nothing else sounds the death knell of film, it will certainly be, market forces!
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If i was to compare my 10 mp to a film ,what would be the film equivalent 21.30.50. mp any ideas i do't think i'm clear here what i mean is, years ago i had OM1 camera so if that film was in mp how many would it equate to
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If i was to compare my 10 mp to a film ,what would be the film equivalent 21.30.50. mp any ideas i do't think i'm clear here what i mean is, years ago i had OM1 camera so if that film was in mp how many would it equate to
I think that would depend on the film. I think (so long ago...) that Kodak Pan F at 50 ASA (or was it Kodak Technical Pan?) would be hard to beat for fine grain, whereas a much faster film would be much coarser.

Then there was the type of developer to consider.......

In truth I'm not sure that you can make this sort of comparison. I've seen some comparison shots where it was proven that once you get to 8MP, digital outperformed film where the digital was shot at 100 ISO v 100ASA film (I think). On enlargement, the grain on the film gave a less sharp image than the digital.
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I think that would depend on the film. I think (so long ago...) that Kodak Pan F at 50 ASA (or was it Kodak Technical Pan?) would be hard to beat for fine grain, whereas a much faster film would be much coarser.

Then there was the type of developer to consider.......

In truth I'm not sure that you can make this sort of comparison. I've seen some comparison shots where it was proven that once you get to 8MP, digital outperformed film where the digital was shot at 100 ISO v 100ASA film (I think). On enlargement, the grain on the film gave a less sharp image than the digital.

i also think that there is much more to consider too, chemicals, paper, format,enlarger, lens if you shoot at 10x8 or 5x4 or even 6x7 to some degree in my experience they out perform my digital camera in quality, tones, and just for the pure natutral look of the photograph, in fact a great quality 35mm camera, with a great lens can too perform well. as for convienance the film camera will never match a digital machine, and in my humble opinion thats why digital has become so popular, in this day and age we all like things instantly, thats the way of the world, and if that means sacrificing quality, then i suppose thats the price. i know that film is certaily not dead, because it no longer dominates the market in photography, there has now become a market for both the reatail of film products (at a price) and also at a price the end product from a film photographer.
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