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Old 05-02-2015, 01:16   #1 (permalink)
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Is Film enjoying a revival ?

One might think so if this article from Ilford is anything to go by ...

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Old 05-02-2015, 11:22   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Is Film enjoying a revival ?

Having used film for longer than I have used digital, there is no way I would want to go back. I tend to view such interest in film rather like steam engines. Many people (including me) find steam engines fascinating and are even happy to take short rides in them. However, progress means that they are not efficient and viable economically for a modern railway system.
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I would quite like to get a film camera, (med format) but when I looked into it I found that the average "turn round" from sending the film off to getting it back on a disk was a week, and cost averaged at 20 for 12 images. Plus the initial cost of the film. As most of my "work" has to be taken, sorted and back with the boss within a week it is not practicable for my main use. If we still had high street developers it might be a better proposition, the studio that used to develop and print my images closed years ago when digital took over the mainstream users
they used to do mine for free, ( in return for the use of some of the images) and gave same day or next day turn round. Another reason film may not return is that a certain type of photographer that takes multiple images on the premise that one will be usable, will have to start thinking about what they are shooting with only 36 exposures. I was at work once and a photo club had booked in, they posed some re-enactors and most of them rattled off 10 /15 exposures of the same pose in one burst.
Still might get a med format though for non work imaging.
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Re: Is Film enjoying a revival ?

Pace, Dave, but film is still the most cost efficient way for me to produce large prints without needing to greatly enlarge the deficiencies that all lenses have (if only because of the laws of physics). Plus having every lens usable as a tilt/shift lens.

36 exposures? Dear me, that's a lot. With half a dozen double dark slides I can manage 12 exposures a day! That does concentrate the mind wonderfully. There are still supermarkets (apparently) that offer a quick turnround on 35mm film; Asda gets a frequent mention on another forum as doing the processing and scans while you shop.

I'm producing images for my own enjoyment, so time doesn't matter. But as I develop, scan and print myself it only takes as long as I want it to.
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Re: Is Film enjoying a revival ?

Nice to hear from you Stephen. I hope my analogy of a steam engine was not offensive in that we look back on steam engines with awe and sometimes wonder why we have to manage without them. I am all for concentrating on taking a few good photographs rather that large number of mediocre or worse. However, I am sure many of us DSLR users are guilty of taking many variations of the subject in front of us rather than identify the best shot first and just take that. I am however fairly ruthless when weeding out unwanted shots after a shoot.
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Re: Is Film enjoying a revival ?

No problem with the steam engine analogy Dave. From memory, they were more reliable (I never recall leaves on the line, wrong type of rain/snow problems in those days).

I still try to be sparing when using Sue's a7r, and make one exposure before moving on to the next subject. The only exceptions to this are the subjects over which I have no control (most recently grey squirrels, birds and drones in our local park.

On another forum, there's still a very active interest in film, with new people taking it up fairly frequently. Enough people in fact to be able to arrange forum meets specifically for film users. My local photographic dealers seems to do a healthy trade in second hand film cameras, film and chemicals/paper - but here in Brighton/Hove we have a lot of students using film.
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Re: Is Film enjoying a revival ?

I do believe Ilford wishes film would come back..

IMO, film will live out it's days as an artists's platform.

I finally gave up on my film use two months ago. I had kept my film scanner LONG past when I should have disposed of it, after scanning all of the family 35mm negs and slides. On the premise that I would eventually start shooting B&W and develop my own again. The idea being I would scan the whole roll with my film roll attachment or get color negs developed and not cut into strips at a 1 hour place with no prints..

Well I've had a lot of time to sit and think about this sort of thing.. Using brutal honesty, I decided that in six months i wasn't likely to be doing it. In one year I wasn't likely to do it.. Finally I came to terms that I LIKE the idea of doing it but will never proceed..

So I sold my film scanner and bought a lens..

I still have my N90S film camera. No idea what I am going to do with it, they sell for next to nothing on eBay.. I'm not giving up my old manual lenses, however. That 135mm F2 manual I have kicks butt on my D800!
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Finally I came to terms that I LIKE the idea of doing it but will never proceed..
Such wisdom, and the reason that I traded in my beloved D70s. I kept is as a holiday camera with an 18-200. Last used it in 2008 - and my D300 has now really taken its place. It is a better camera all round.

I was so reluctant to sell it for what I could get for it, so when presented with the opportunity to trade it in -body only - at nine years old with a value of 337 ($516) against a D810 it was a no brainer.

I liked the idea that I had a camera that would flash sync at 1/500, but when would I use it?
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Such wisdom, and the reason that I traded in my beloved D70s. I kept is as a holiday camera with an 18-200. Last used it in 2008 - and my D300 has now really taken its place. It is a better camera all round.
That newfound wisdom came at a high price. Itwill be applied to many areas of my life once I'm on my feet and fit for working.. I have a barn full of stuff to disassociate from my life.

I'd love to have a D300/300s as a spare body.. But yeah the D70 has gone on to a better life.

I've got a D3200 i picked up cheap at a pawn shop for a backup body and as one i can loan to my son and not cry if he drops it.. I keep watching craigslist for one to go up for sale way too cheap WHILE I have spare cash on me.. I missed out on one with extra lenses last month for want of cash.. If I can find one, I can just give the 3200 fully to my son..
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Re: Is Film enjoying a revival ?

Not only Harman (who make Ilford film); I suspect Ferrania who have just resumed film production are hoping to continue it for a while.

The last camera I bought was last year a Walker Titan SF 5x4. The camera before that was a Canham DLC45 (5x4 as the name suggests).

Film is more than 35mm - which is called a miniature format for a good reason. Given that cameras using film up to 10x8 (that's inches) in size are common, and larger sizes are made (film is still made up to 16"x20") it's not surprising that many find that film is the easiest way of getting high resolution prints.

If I had to reduce to a single camera, it would have to be a 5x4 film camera. I do use my wife's Sony a7r for photos for a web site and a local group I'm a member of, but not for anything that I'd regard as serious. The only digital camera I personally have is in my phone - and I don't even know how to turn it on!
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i got a fiolm camera from a member on here have so far used half the film had it about 2 years!
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Now if you'd got a large format camera, you could have processed the photos as you went along
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I'm going to stay out on my limb and reinforce my statement that film will be used by artists. Be it for aesthetics, nostalgia, because they want to, because they can, or whatever reason they don't need to justify..

Large format film I realize is a completely different animal from 35mm and I think it's great that people still use it. I had a chance to work with a guy years ago that shot 4x5 film.. His negatives were stunning. At the time all we could do is scan them on the (by todays' standards) crappy flatbed. I wish we had a Nikon 9000 scanner back then..

But again, I consider it an artists platform now.. And I am nobody to tell an artist what medium they should use.
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I agree with you Lcraft
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lol no processing for me its getting sent away. I dont have anywhere to process anything other than on a computer
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Daylight developing tank (they exist for 5x4) and a scanner and you're there. Kitchen sink job
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Staring at my old Pentax ME super with Power winder and Sigma lens up on the shelf (collecting dust) above my screen... How I remember those days, only last Century, when I used that thing regularly...

Not worth selling on either.
So on the shelf it stays, as more of a sentimental reminder of my Dad who gave it to me.
And that is important, right?.

Will I use it ever again?.
I have a Box Brownie, number 3, that I know is working, Because I restored it to working condition to use.
I cant get film for that for love nor money without paying more for shipping than the film costs, and where to take it anyway to get developed, without, again, paying expensive shipping costs...

Would I trust Wally-World(ASDA) to do my developing of 35mil prints?... (or scans) nope...

So lets go back again to why I changed to Digital in the first place.
I have sat next to me one Epson Photo R300, which still produces better results than some chemist produced photographs I have had done in the past.

In the past, one of out good friends visited with their young child.
It was during the times of "Firsts", and whilst playing with our extremely gentle Husky, that was the first few steps of that child walking...
And I was there with the camera.
Half hour later, I produced a framed A4 (I had a spare clip frame hanging about) photo as a memento of that day of the child playing with the dog and their first few steps... they still have the photo hung up on the family wall, where it was placed as soon as they got home.
The reason they keep it is that I had a full series of "Burst" shots of the full series of half a dozen steps that child took as a border down each side of the landscape presented shot, with a main portrait of the best shot in the middle.

I can never do that shot again...

So why Digital?... the power, the ease, the speed, the... well, just everything that makes it digital.
And then go inside and attach to TV to look back at the shots to see what worked... Today....

Go back to old 35mil?... for me, no.
Others, yes.
Why stop there though?...
So will we go back to using a black suitcase with a cloak over the back, glass plates, magnesium flash, long exposures....(Going back to Victorian times and the like)

The world changed.
Yes film as an art form, if you will, but, I am now part of the digital revolution.
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So lets go back again to why I changed to Digital in the first place.
I have sat next to me one Epson Photo R300, which still produces better results than some chemist produced photographs I have had done in the past.

In the past, one of out good friends visited with their young child.
It was during the times of "Firsts", and whilst playing with our extremely gentle Husky, that was the first few steps of that child walking...
And I was there with the camera.
Half hour later, I produced a framed A4 (I had a spare clip frame hanging about) photo as a memento of that day of the child playing with the dog and their first few steps... they still have the photo hung up on the family wall, where it was placed as soon as they got home.

I love those moments like that. Have had a few of them. Friend's kid's (my own kids). Have quite a few portraits hanging up around the area of friend's kids (two legged and furry four legged) performing amazing feats..


I don't currently do any of my own printing, as I've been spoiled by MPIX/MPIX Pro here in the states. beautiful output and I don't have to maintain poster sized printers or pay for ink to unclog inkjet ports every time I print.. I do occasionally fantasize about getting a bigger desktop Epson model, but I'm quickly reminded by my wife that I can upload on Monday afternoon and have my prints tuesday afternoon and she doesn't have to listen to me crab about ink cartridges.


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And then go inside and attach to TV to look back at the shots to see what worked... Today....

Part of my workflow is currently to extend my desktop to my 55 inch tv via an Apple TV and view my photos on that while sitting in my armchair. Partly out of necessity partly because it WORKS.. Yes being able to review - and share that review with a room of people if you so choose is so excellentt. If I'm really being lazy I let my eye-fi card xfer over the images instead of getting out my card reader.

I look forward to when dSLR bodies benefit from the features the D4/D4s currently has of being web enabled. I expect the next time I get out my checkbook for a new primary dSLR to use, that will be old hat.
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Do you not have a direct connection (wired) between Camera and TV available?...
My D350 has that, I thought most camera's could?... (I aint no ex-pert in that...)

Also post photo manipulation transfer, I can do that via USB stick and XBox.

As an alternative to that, if its of any interest, I have another new "Toy" I am playing with, a Raspberry Pi, less than 50 small micro-micro computer that has an excellent Picture and other Media player in it...
Linux is not that hard to learn with Rasbarian (O/s) its easy to use, I find it quite good, and with the HDMI interface its giving me such good results I may be working on an option to get more than one and use my home wired network to transfer pictures.
I wont be using WIFI, I have say around 100gb minimum wired, dependant on the machine its on, it slows to max 20-27gb over wifi.
Although I can plug in the full half- terabyte storage drive I use as well...

Heck, we are getting WAY off topic here, aint we?....
Or are we?...
This is another reason why I like the digital, its versatile in so many more ways.

And just how many of you went cold the last time your relative pulled out a shoe-box brimming over with paper and said "lets have a look through my last holiday snaps..."

(thats just the first box, they have another one for the second week.... they were there a month...)
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Do you not have a direct connection (wired) between Camera and TV available?...
My D350 has that, I thought most camera's could?... (I aint no ex-pert in that...)
Yes my D800 has HDMI and can display to a television..

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This is where I use Apple tools, as I use Macs, AppleTV, etc.. I can just make a slideshow and point it at the Apple TV for output..


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Oh yes, I have one. with a wifi dongle.. I've been playing with programming it to make a ken rockwell style slideshow so I can make/have an inexpensive image display machine to take to craft/art shows to display my best images for sale.. Once I'm in better shape and can handle doing it I'm going to start doing shows..
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So will we go back to using a black suitcase with a cloak over the back, glass plates, magnesium flash, long exposures....(Going back to Victorian times and the like)

The world changed.
Yes film as an art form, if you will, but, I am now part of the digital revolution.
Sorry to be so selective....

I don't use flash (last used in the 1980s!) so I don't worry about flash powder. Glass plates might be heavy, but they were dimensionally stable, which has a number of advantages. My normal camera is a 5x4 and I do use a focusing cloth. Once I can get the same quality and convenience with digital that I can with film and at an affordable price I'll consider moving over. For me, convenience is a big issue, as evry digital camera I've tried gets in my way, whereas my 5x4 cameras work in the way I do. I'm happy enough with it to use a full frame digital camera for snapshots for a web site.

I do so agree with the implied statement in your last sentence though - film is an art form, and digital isn't.
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Film - yes film.

Just back from 4 days in Scotland - and shot 6 rolls of 120. Some 6x6 and some 6x9.

Film isn't back - it never went away
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Film - yes film.

Just back from 4 days in Scotland - and shoot 6 rolls of 120. Some 6x6 and some 6x9.

Film isn't back - it never went away
You just said what I was going to say I shot minimum of 1 roll every week a 10 day trip to my old home in Cornwall I shot 22 rolls, my wife is always moaning there's more film in the fridge than food
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