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Old 17-02-2008, 00:08   #1 (permalink)
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I need advice on filters there's so many of them.screw ons slides which ones do i choose , is there a starters kit,ive been looking at these are they any good...Ray

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Old 17-02-2008, 00:17   #2 (permalink)
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Cokin filters are OK, but if I were you I'd check out the Cokin site to see what you are getting. The P 37, 123S and 197 might be a collection of the ones that don't sell very well.
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Old 17-02-2008, 00:19   #3 (permalink)
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It's best to buy filters for a specific purpose, and I don't recognise any of those!

Digital photography has removed the need for many filters, since the same effect can be achieved more easily in post-processing. I'd suggest that the most useful filters are ND grads (graduated neutral density - to darken a bright sky and even up the exposure with the foreground), polarisers to reduce reflections and give a really deep blue sky (if you like) and perhaps UV as lens protectors (controversial!) and to reduce haze.

Remember that every additional piece of glass/plastic you put in fromt of the lens will degrade the image to some extent. So if you don't need a filter, don't use one.
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Following advice here, I bought UVs to protect my lenses (2) and a polariser (which I havent used yet) and I got out of that for under 100 AUD. Not really sure what to do with polariser - perhaps next time I get near the beach - dont often need it to deepen the colour of the sky...
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Following advice here, I bought UVs to protect my lenses (2) and a polariser (which I havent used yet) and I got out of that for under 100 AUD. Not really sure what to do with polariser - perhaps next time I get near the beach - dont often need it to deepen the colour of the sky...
As well as making the sky more saturated - depending on the angle of the Sun, the poloriser will reduce/eliminate reflections on (say) water or glass, so can be very useful when shooting against the light.
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Thanks for the advice guys, I saw that advert and was considering buying some, but as I already have a circular Polarizer and a UV I don't think I will bother, well done Pixalo, Cheers
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I use the Cokin system, Ray, but only for ND's and a Grad ND. Can recommend it.
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There is an advantage with any of the Cokin style systems that many of the manufacturers have now copied. You can adjust a graduated filter vertically to fine tune where the grad is in the frame.

Cokin used to make two sizes with the larger ones intended for pro use due to them using larger lenses, but anyone with wide angle lenses will probably be better off going for the bigger size to avoid the filter holder intruding into the frame.

SRB do an 8 filter starter kit at the larger size for around 17. This seems to be very good value, but there are filters in the kit that I'm not sure would be that useful, and there are no ND filters. They do supply filters and the mounting system separately, as do the other makers.

Digital processing has reduced the usefulness of filters as most of the effects can be reproduced in processing, but the ND and ND grads and polorisers are still very useful, and UV and skylight filters are good for lens protection and haze/altitude blue haze reduction.
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Thanks to you all, am i reading this right if i get a cokin set with a frame this will do for only one lens is that correct...Ray
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Old 17-02-2008, 11:18   #11 (permalink)
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No Ray - the Cokin (and the others using this system) consist of a filter mount that will fit onto any lens using a threaded fitting ring. For lenses that have different diameter filter threads you can use a different size mounting ring or a step-down ring.

The filters then fit into the mount. I think you can have up to three filters in a mount. You can also use circular filters that fit into a special slot that is different to the square filter slots.

You can also get square lens hoods that fit over the filter mount.

It sounds far more complex than it actually is. If you have a look at them it will be obvious how they work.
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Thank you i will go into the shop tomorrow to see how they work...Ray
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Will the cokin p series filter system be ok on the 17-40 does anyone know please or do i need a wider one...Ray
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This page in the Cokin site gives a chart on sizes. However, do you trust the chart?

Before you jump in, do some homework as there are other makers of this type of filter system that are much cheaper than Cokin. Jessop's and SRB spring to mind.
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As well as making the sky more saturated - depending on the angle of the Sun, the poloriser will reduce/eliminate reflections on (say) water or glass, so can be very useful when shooting against the light.
Yes I'm waiting for the opportunity to try this out!
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Will the cokin p series filter system be ok on the 17-40 does anyone know please or do i need a wider one...Ray
I've use p filters on this lens and it works ok on 10D Digital SLR sensor. On my film camera (i.e full frame ) you get vignetting on the lens from 17mm until you zoom out to about 24mm. Best to take in lens and camera and as to try at local shop. All depends on your budget as the Z system is more expensive. I had already got the P set before I had this wide lens. I find the cokin system good and easy to use.
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You can modify the P-series holder if the edges intrude into the frame...



This means it will only hold one filter plus a polariser, but it is now usable on the Canon 10-22 at 10mm on a 30D.
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Thank you ive found a wide angle holder for 7-99 but as silkstone says it only takes one filter, but at that price might as well have both
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Thank you ive found a wide angle holder for 7-99 but as silkstone says it only takes one filter, but at that price might as well have both
Oh, forgot about that, had looked at them. Must get one myself.
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Right ive had a good look at all the fiters and im more confused than ever there is hundreds of em, can anyone suggest what i should buy to get started please...Ray

I found this piece below by Ken Rockwell


Yes, you need filters even with your digital camera and Photoshop. Polarizers and grad filters need to be used before the lens and are not well, if at all, simulatable electronically. Digital cameras are excused from most of the color conversion filters, since you dial these in as white balance settings. I still use a mild warming filter (81A) on all my digital cameras since I prefer the look I get, even with the WB adjusted warm.

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For starters I would get a poloriser and either a UV or skylight, plus a couple of ND grads.

I use skylights for lens protection/general use rather than UV's. (Just like Ken Rockwell <smug>)
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For starters I would get a poloriser and either a UV or skylight, plus a couple of ND grads.

I use skylights for lens protection/general use rather than UV's. (Just like Ken Rockwell <smug>)
but if im going the cokin way i wont use them for protection will i
i will not be using a protection filter ???

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Why not use a Cokin for lens protection? When I was using my Olympus 35mm camera, the Cokin filter holder was on the in use lens all of the time. And my video camera, come to think of it.

No hardship to swap it for a grad or any other filter. Actually easier and quicker tha a circular filter.
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Why not use a Cokin for lens protection? When I was using my Olympus 35mm camera, the Cokin filter holder was on the in use lens all of the time. And my video camera, come to think of it.

No hardship to swap it for a grad or any other filter. Actually easier and quicker tha a circular filter.
So i leave the frame on with a skylight filter in it is that right graham
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That's what i used to do. If I wanted to change the filter it was out with the 1b and in with the grad. Much quicker than unscrewing one then screwing in the next one. When the camera is not in use there is a square plastic 'lens cap' to use too. Should come with the kit.

I used to use quite a few filters in my film days, not so much now. The only one I did not use a Cokin was the poloriser as it has to be rotated to vary the effect. But all of the others were square. The standard Cokin holder allows you to stack three or four, but I never did this much.

Now I tend to only use skylight and poloriser.
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That's what i used to do. If I wanted to change the filter it was out with the 1b and in with the grad. Much quicker than unscrewing one then screwing in the next one. When the camera is not in use there is a square plastic 'lens cap' to use too. Should come with the kit.

I used to use quite a few filters in my film days, not so much now. The only one I did not use a Cokin was the poloriser as it has to be rotated to vary the effect. But all of the others were square. The standard Cokin holder allows you to stack three or four, but I never did this much.

Now I tend to only use skylight and poloriser.
Thank you Graham ive learned a lot here ...Ray
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Only problem with leaving the Cokin on is that you can't use a lens hood, except the Cokin ones which are a bit naff and aren't sized to the lens focal length.
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Only problem with leaving the Cokin on is that you can't use a lens hood, except the Cokin ones which are a bit naff and aren't sized to the lens focal length.
True...

Win some, loose some. My focal lengths then went from 24 - 210 with two zooms + a 2x converter. Never had any issues as far as I can remember.
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Just for the record i did the dirty deed today i started with 3 ND-Grads
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Those should do nicely. (I have just the P121 and P121M.)
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