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Old 26-04-2012, 20:31   #1 (permalink)
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Still trying to come too grips with this lens but doing something wrong, can focus dead on when i rotate the focus ring but that's not the right way, but when trying to move the lens backwards or forwards am beat, don't think this subject is for me even though i am so gob-smacked with the images in this club, should i stick at it or sell the lens & pick another lens for a different subject, thax for any help guys
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Old 26-04-2012, 20:35   #2 (permalink)
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First line of help would be a description of the culprit lens in question Assume macro

As long as Nikon or 3rd party does not make a decent lens like the Canon MPe-65 we (Nikon users) will never be able to come close. They (MPe-65) owners are redefining the macro art, and should be given a handicap in any competition involving macro .

Have you thought to try extension tube(s) with a shorter focal length ? This should be easier to practise with.

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Sorry GS, you said it,Tokina ATX100m, nothing wrong with the lens just me
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I guessed as much. Our paths crossed while I was editing my earlier post.
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Stick at it I´s never an easy subject
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Old 26-04-2012, 22:06   #6 (permalink)
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Cheers guys, not easy as you say jake, by the time ive it figured out digital will have moved on
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There are so many variables to consider .....

1 Handheld (hardest), tripod (hard), focus rail easier.
2 What sort of light are you using.
3 Is the subject still or liable to move
4 Up the ISO if necessary
5 Have you considered Live-view
6 The shallower the depth of field the harder it is to focus

....and so on. Don't give up, practice on a simple subject to start with and move on from there.
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It really is practice on the 100mm. To get close then fixing the focus and moving back and forth is the best way, particuarly when you are near the 1:1 focus of the lens. However if you find it easier using the focus ring then do that - I can't at high mag - am hopeless with the focus ring.
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Cheers guys for all the input, so is it fine to adjust the focus ring if i can do that easier than moving back & forward,they say that this is really the right way to do it or is it ok? have a focus rail to & use it on the tripod which i find is good for some subjects but most of the time when starting to move & adjusting everything the subject has movedas for hand held i am totally useless
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should i stick at it or sell the lens & pick another lens for a different subject, thax for any help guys[/QUOTE]

3 years ago I stretched a ligament in my knee and it changed all my macro attemps. I am a big guy and found that when I was lieing down on the ground I could control the 1:1 better free hand. I had to stop spending a lot of time at macro but keeping the lense was a good thing to do. I use it because of the great focusing at any distance. And if the treat comes along I have it to give it a try again. I love the lens and I like to do macro. My leg is getting so much better because I can get down on my knees if I have to. I would keep the lens if you like it, for me there is no other versital lens like a macro. Good luck and try to have fun. P.S. Always use a tripod for spiders and snow flakes in the trees,, . My best IR pictures have been taken with my macro lens.
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Old 27-04-2012, 13:29   #11 (permalink)
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Yup. It's difficult ! The longer the focal length the less DOF (relatively speaking) and with a longer reach you have a much greater optical lever which makes it harder to track movement. I like the Tamron's idea if switching quickly from auto focus to manual by just shifting the focus ring without taking your hand off the ring. The Nikon is a pain with a switch but if I'm careful I can manual focus by keeping the button half pressed, or I just use the separate focus button (D300/700 type).

If you've looked at the spreadsheet, you'll notice I set a special set for macro, which allows focussing with a separate button on the D300s, allowing me to focus with the button and then manual focus and finally shift the camera to get exactly what I want. Agreed everything moves quite fast. If you can set up on the D90 to do the following (it helps me with the 105mm), first use the auto-focus to approximate your position, go to manual focus (and manually fine tune if necessary) and then finally move in or out to get what you want. If you lose it, re-engage the auto-focus and start again. It takes some practice to get this sequence working, but it can save searching for the subject that has just disappeared from the screen.

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Cheers Boofers thanx for the input & tips looks like i will be sticking with it after all the input, keep at itthanx guys
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Grahams advice re-the moving AF, manual focus, move in out is great. That's what I'd do.

Still ok to ring focus if that's the way you find easier. No wrong / right way to get the shot in focus. Just most use the move back / forward for minute focus adjustment.

You may find handheld easier if you use flash (at least to start with) helps freeze the subject and removes camera shake. Later you could use higher ISO / wide aperture when you get the hang of the handheld. I use ISO 400 F3.2-F8 in nice light for handheld butterfly shots in the summer for instance.
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I suppose another thing to be added is (seemingly obvious after you've got it) don't try and follow the movement of the camera with your body or even your head. That's too cumbersome. Get your eye close enough to the eyepiece to cover the scene. In macro you're often just interested/able to focus on one thing, so hold the camera a short distance from the eye and you can follow insect movement and your own hand movements more easily. Take care for too much light behind you entering the eyepiece and messing with the exposure - or use manual.
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Theres some information there,that's great guys no matter how many books you have you wouldn't get info like that, cheers
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I so relate to this thread as I well remember starting out in macro!

Personally, I use manual focus to compose the shot (easy enough on the 105, not quite so easy on the 150 as focus is finer and so slower manually, not too bad on the MPE-65) and then move in/out to put the focus where I want it

Definitely worth persevering as it does get easier with practice (really, it does!)
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Another good tip from GS. That is something I sometimes do too.

Also just to be clear though Mark - there is no focusing on the MPE-65mm. It just is. The only thing you can move is the magnification. So with that lens it really is a matter of moving back/forth.
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Thanx guys that's some help you have given me,cheers simpbow
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Thanks your post is really helpful for me, I got many tips from your post.
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Theres been some very useful information & tips here
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this is why i do not do macro thats the easiest way out of it lol
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just to add my two pence worth, another thing to try is put the camera on a tripod and autofocus on a subject and look through the viewfinder to see if it's in focus to your eye maybe adjust the dioptre wheel abit
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Cheers guys i never seem to take the easy way out
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