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Old 08-05-2007, 01:00   #1 (permalink)
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Which is better? I find that the gloss looks good when doing macro. It shows alot of detail and the color is so vivid. Then again the matte seems to add something to. What do you all like better on landscapes, etc.?
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:35   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Gloss or Matte

I generally prefer matt, but gloss is good sometimes too
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Old 08-05-2007, 06:33   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Gloss or Matte

to me it depends what effect iam after for the finnishing touch and of course depends on the image .I really think it comes down to persoanal preference.However I have always been under the impression that if your want quality ,you choose matt and a quality paper.Be interesting to find out from members as to what they use and why.
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Re: Gloss or Matte

Matte! Suits the 'feel' of the view, IMHO.
Gloss for shiny and new - including modern architecture (so some urban/industrial landscapes)
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Old 08-05-2007, 07:03   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Gloss or Matte

Traditionally, gloss paper was always for images that were very detailed and for 'drawing' the detail out, and matt was for portraits and landscapes where a degree of softness was (is) considered desireable. Also, if the images were going to be viewed through glass or not, and where it was going to be hung - that is - how light falls on the image would influence what type of paper was used.

Nowdays, the line is not so clear cut with so many different papers and printing techniques available. I guess that the paper choice now is more about what you want your image to convey. I think mono portraits, for instance, look really good with a pearl finish even if they are not going to be framed/hung.

I still think that if the print is going to be framed or framed and put on a wall that matt or lustre papers are best.
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Re: Gloss or Matte

As I'm a portrait kinda girl it's always matte for me. I just think it adds that professional look.

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Re: Gloss or Matte

This is very interesting, as I am new to this and have only printed out on gloss (ultra) so far and been satisfied with the results.

Would love to see the difference in my shots on Matte.

What matte paper would you recommend that I try?

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Re: Gloss or Matte

As with all things - try some cheap stuff first to see if you like the results. If you do, then research the papers that will be suitable for your printer, and if profiles can be downloaded to use.

Most printer makers also sell their own paper, but there are independant specialist makers too, and most of them will sell a sample pack of different types of paper so you don't have to invest in a pack of 50 and then find after the first print, you don't like it!
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Old 08-05-2007, 13:37   #9 (permalink)
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Ebay is a good place to shop for photo paper
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Re: Gloss or Matte

I use Epson Premium Gloss and Epson Heavy Matte for almost all of my pictures. For a very small number I use a specilaist paper. The advantage of these two Epson papers used on my 1270 is that the printer profile is identical for each so swapping between them is easy.

Generally I choose Gloss for pictures which have detail (some architecture, table top, technical, most sport but also some landscapes). I use Matte for portraits, many landscapes and any picture which has a painterly effect. I usually make a decision at the time I print and sometimes get it wrong and re-print.
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Re: Gloss or Matte

Gloss for detail, Matte for portraits
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Re: Gloss or Matte

well you (i) learn something new everyday. I have always printed on high gloss paper thinking it would be the best now running to the shops to buy some matte might also buy a new printer when im there.

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Hi guys i use lusture on all prints that are going to be hung because i found after a while even though gloss looks very nice it was sticking to the glass in places.
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I use Epson Premium Gloss and Epson Heavy Matte for almost all of my pictures. For a very small number I use a specilaist paper. The advantage of these two Epson papers used on my 1270 is that the printer profile is identical for each so swapping between them is easy.

Generally I choose Gloss for pictures which have detail (some architecture, table top, technical, most sport but also some landscapes). I use Matte for portraits, many landscapes and any picture which has a painterly effect. I usually make a decision at the time I print and sometimes get it wrong and re-print.
I had been using Epson Ultra Glossy (very expensive) until I saw a photo Mag review of Ink Jet papers about a year ago. They included all of the usual big named papers and the one that came out as the Best Buy (Digital Photo & Practical Photography mags ) was Jessops Photo Ink Jet paper..Its available in A4 20 & 50 sheet packs and also 6x4 & 7x5. at a weight up to 260grms. It is excellent. I talked to my local guy at Jessops in Maidenhead and he indicated that their paper was very similar to that from Epson .
Its is available in Matt ,Semi matt & Gloss.
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Re: Gloss or Matte

When I had my Mono's printed by a Pro Lab, I went with "Lustre" finish , which is perfect in my eyes Looks very impressive behind glass too.
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Re: Gloss or Matte

Most of the printing I do is for use on greeting cards for which gloss seems more suitable. I've printed to 'satin' with good results too, but never to matte. When I've had stuffed printed by Photobox, I've always gone for gloss.

Maybe I should experiment a bit more!
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I use premium glossy. its 240 gsm and ive never had any complaints from people who get photo's off me. Ive tried hp glossy and epson which i was paying 35 euro for 50 sheets of A4 where as this paper was 8 euro for 50 sheets. Sometime it it is possible to find cheaper brands as good. But then again everyone things different
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I have seen prints on satin. They look really nice when snow pictures are printed on it.
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Gloss for cycling, makes the bikes and the lycra really pop out. Heavy artist matte for still life.
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I've just read in one of my photo books that gloss shows colours better than matte does (the paper actually absorbs colours more accurately, or something).
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Re: Gloss or Matte

What do you all think of the canvas printing---I don't really like it. At least in the photos I've seen done with it.
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Never done it or even seen it, dogdots (yay, my smilies are back on )

I'd like to see it tho', so if anyone has a print done on canvas, p'raps they could take a photo of it to upload and show us? P'raps add a close-up, so we can see the effect of the printed material better.

Failing that, could someone please try and describe what the difference is to printing on photo paper? Thanks. I imagine a canvas print has great texture, but would love to see what I'm missing
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Has texture, but the one we have hanging in our office here has lost alot of detail. Seen some good ones, but it seems to be very subject dependant.
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Re: Gloss or Matte

There is a review of canvas printers in this month's Digital Photo mag. Seven labs compared with big differences in cost and quality.
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Re: Gloss or Matte

The final paper finish; matte, glossy, lustre, satin, canvas really depends on the image being printed. To limit oneself to one finish is rather restricting ones creative choices. On a purely technical front, the shiny surfaces generally produce higher Dmax values for the blacks giving a depth and richness not found on matte surfaces. However, you are only likely to see this by having both a matte and glossy print side by side of the same scene. Also, once you put a print under glass the point is mute anyway since the glass dictates the final 'surface' finish.

Detail nearly always looks better on a glossy surface due to the inherent apparent increase in local contrast. Inkjet prints tend to retain more or less the same detail on both glossy and matte surfaces. On traditional silver-halide prints the difference was more marked.

Any textured surface will dramatically reduce the appearance of detail in an image. Canvas, being quite course texture, will reduce detail the most. It has traditionally been the choice for high class portraiture because skin tones tend to look better when smoother (for vanity rather than grisly old folks) and hence the canvas reduced detail worked and a canvas mounted print could be sold for more dosh.

In the fine-art photo arena, glossy is considered the pits and matte or lustre rules. This is because most glossy surface papers are actually plastic/plastic coated rather than paper reminiscent of the RC papers for darkroom prints. For a 'quality' feel to a print there is really only one choice and that is acid-free high quality paper with the associated price tag. And aren't we the mugs for paying the outrageous prices charged for the stuff!

One problem with the vast choice now available for inkjet printing is that many people never master the quality/technique of printing because they don't stay with one product long enough. Throughout the history of photography the advice from the masters has always been experiment with materials for a time and then settle on only one or two different materials and use them for ages so that you fully understand their characteristics and how to get the best from them. This advice still holds true in this digital age! The same can be said of cameras, many amateurs change cameras so often that they never have time to understand any one of them sufficiently to get good pictures.

The bottom line is: if you like the way a particular paper/surface looks with your images then that is the choice for you. But please try a few options before settling on one or you may just miss something better for your style.

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Re: Gloss or Matte

Didn't realise you could print canvas at home! These printers obviously take special paper ... which is called ... ?? (and don't just say "canvas" ) I would have assumed to send off to pro printers for printing on canvas ... which is probably best for quality results, I would think.

Edit: Slow typing ... this was in reply to Graham's post

Edit: Now read thru Les's post ... very useful, thanks Les
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Inkjet canvas is readily available and bearing in mind the issues of detail mentioned above, you will likely find that using it at home gets you great results and doesn't warrant the expense of a pro lab.

BTW, what printer do you use at home?

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Re: Gloss or Matte

Funny Les, I've never seen 'inkjet canvas', but then I've never looked for it ... is it more expensive than other photo paper?

I currently use an Epson R300, but am starting to look for a replacement; see this thread.

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Canvas is more expensive, and unless selling the work i.e. portraits doesn't seem to warrant the cost.

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Might be a nice idea for presents for family/friends tho'

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