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Old 20-03-2010, 19:52   #1 (permalink)
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Help with Manual Mode please

I never shoot in manual mode, but ive been trying it out today the Manual says you set all the settings yourself, Ok im using a Canon 40D just for this question i will use these settings shutter speed 1/250 Aperture f5 my problem is i just cant set the exposure all the photos i take are just Black and the exposure dial is at -2 and flashing you probably think in stupid ok maybe i am but how do i get the correct exposure i am also using my 70-300IS lens iso 400 daytime but cloudy thank you

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Old 20-03-2010, 20:27   #2 (permalink)
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ok you need to bring the exposure compensation up so its reading 0 at least you may need to push it to a + value hard to say without knowing what you are shooting., with it being minus that means you have dialed in an exposure which would under expose the shot that makes it darker ......... so slow the shutter down to under 200th as a start ref and see where to go from there you are shooting with an IS lens so u should be able to push it a good fair bit slower than what u have now before worrying about camera shake
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ok you need to bring the exposure compensation up so its reading 0 at least you may need to push it to a + value hard to say without knowing what you are shooting., with it being minus that means you have dialed in an exposure which would under expose the shot that makes it darker ......... so slow the shutter down to under 200th as a start ref and see where to go from there you are shooting with an IS lens so u should be able to push it a good fair bit slower than what u have now before worrying about camera shake
Thank you fiona, so if im right this lens wouldnt be good for say indoor sports would that be right
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Re: Help with Manual Mode please

You are asking too many questions. Do you want help with Manual or with lenses?
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Re: Help with Manual Mode please

Assuming you want to advance to manual, first off ask yourself why. If Auto, Scene, AP or TV are not meeting your needs in terms of exposure, or you just want to dabble a bit then I would suggest the following.

1 Wait for a nice sunny day.

2 Use a standard zoom or a 50mm or the like.

3 Have a notebook and pen with you

4 Find a bench looking at a good subject with the sun behind you and not too much contrast.

5 Then take a series of photographs at the same focal length and of the same subject but each time making adjustments to aperture or shutter speed. Each time you take a shot write down your notes and any settings. It helps to understand, later, what you have done.

6 On the whole look for a colour which represents 18% Grey to establish your exposure - something like dry grass, or anything with a light khaki colour.

7 When you get home compare your images with your notes and the Exif data.

8 Above all practice - it'll come with time and don't assume that Manual is the be-all and end-all.

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Re: Help with Manual Mode please

PS - with acknowledgements to Silkstone since he advised me on using manual many years ago.
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Flippin' 'eck Stephen - you have a good memory!
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Assuming you want to advance to manual, first off ask yourself why. If Auto, Scene, AP or TV are not meeting your needs in terms of exposure, or you just want to dabble a bit then I would suggest the following.

1 Wait for a nice sunny day.

2 Use a standard zoom or a 50mm or the like.

3 Have a notebook and pen with you

4 Find a bench looking at a good subject with the sun behind you and not too much contrast.

5 Then take a series of photographs at the same focal length and of the same subject but each time making adjustments to aperture or shutter speed. Each time you take a shot write down your notes and any settings. It helps to understand, later, what you have done.

6 On the whole look for a colour which represents 18% Grey to establish your exposure - something like dry grass, or anything with a light khaki colour.

7 When you get home compare your images with your notes and the Exif data.

8 Above all practice - it'll come with time and don't assume that Manual is the be-all and end-all.

Good luck.
Well i like taking shots of trains, and sometimes they fly past me at what seems like 100mph, i get a lot of shots blurred so i was looking for the fastest shutter speed i can get hence Manual

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Re: Help with Manual Mode please

Or use Tv (shutter priority) and set a suitably fast speed - say, 1/500 or faster - and then use an ISO setting that gives an aperture within the range of your lens.

Or use Av (aperture priority) and set the aperture to give the depth of field you want - say, f/8 - and then adjust the ISO so that you get a suitably fast speed.
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Or use Tv (shutter priority) and set a suitably fast speed - say, 1/500 or faster - and then use an ISO setting that gives an aperture within the range of your lens.

Or use Av (aperture priority) and set the aperture to give the depth of field you want - say, f/8 - and then adjust the ISO so that you get a suitably fast speed.
Thank you Paul will do that no more manual for me
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Dumb suggestions but here it goes, please don't take offense.

Trains: If you want to take pictures of trains why not take them when they are not moving. So much easier and you can get almost any angle your heart desire. The exposure would be easier as you can do this in Auto(YUCK!), Program Mode, Aperture Mode or Manual Mode. You can expose Spot, Matrix or Center Weight.
If you want to take trains in motion, you really DO want blur in your pictures, not as much blur as you might be getting now but you want some blur. The reason for this is, if you have no blur in your pictures, people can't tell if your train was in motion or was has it stopped. (I am sure they can if they look closer and look at the background and such but still). The trick here then is setting a shutter speed that will give you enough blur but keep the main feature of your trains in focus. (Setting your Flash in Rear Curtain Flash Mode might help you in this case) So shooting in Shutter Priority will help you deal with the exposure.
Manual exposure is not that hard to learn, it is hard to fine tune and be very good at it. The main idea is pick the shutter speed you need and turn your aperture dial or your ISO such that your exposure metering in your camera reads zero. That is it!!! (Once you are good at that then you can decide if you want to over expose or under expose certain parts etc...)
Lens has very little with what youare trying to do here, except the fact that you want a lens that can give you the angle and shooting distance you need, but you can compensate most of that with your legs.
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Normally I would choose manual for a good reason and probably use manual for about 1/3 of my shots. Examples are in a Studio where I am using flash and a flash meter to measure the exposure so setting the camera manually. Taking photographs of aircraft (or birds in flight), I measure the exposure using my camera probably in Tv mode (because I want a fast shutter speed) then set the value in the camera manually. In this case I would meter the grass (in an airfield or something light grey) which gives me the right exposure value. Using a camera on auto exposure pointed at the sky is unlikely to work without compensation. I also use manual for low light photography, night photogrpahy and HDR but again in all cases I determine or measure the setting I need. At night, for example, you may need to use an estimate initially then check the results looking at the histogram and make appropriate adjustments. Generally I would use bracketed shooting for night photography anyway as it is hard to be absolutely precise and you may not have time to keep re-adjusting. Of course you can choose to use manual for more routine shots but I would recommend still using the cameras meter (or a separate meter) to measure the exposure. Best of luck.
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How about investing a few bob on a decent exposure meter? that way it would be difficult to get a bad shot, providing you use a bit of common sense.
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If you haven't found it by now, you have a meter on your camera. Your exposure compensation has -2, 1,0,+1, +2 graph on your top lcd and in your view finder. It moves with the movement of your settings up or down.. It can help with manual.
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