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Old 15-02-2014, 10:49   #1 (permalink)
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I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

I need a silencer for a cannon 350D.... or in fact any DSLR if one is available?...
Not urgent, the weather is crud, but this is now my plan for the near future.

I am trying to get shots of Wildlife, I am using a remote trigger, unfortunately, what I am trying to shoot is a bit twitcy, and when it hears the camera mechanism, that FAKE shutter/winder sound, it takes off, and I have to wait ages for it to return...
Or rather Them...

Its a cloud of Long-Tail Tits that are visiting my bird feeders...

I have the camera set up as far away as space will allow, on a tripod, I have invested in a gorilla pod, I have tried various locations, but its still making noise.
And now they are getting wary of Camera equipment....

I have wondered about an upside-down fish tank?....

So any ideas that dont break a reasonable budget?...

Just how do I shut out that annoying fake shutter sound and quieten down the sound of the genuine workings?....

If this starts working, I want to try close-ups of other birds, I am trying to learn Wildlife photography this year.
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Old 15-02-2014, 11:26   #2 (permalink)
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

I don't know of anything "off the shelf". Why not try to make something up with pipe insulation, wadding, a scarf? Or make an insulated box with just a hole for the lens - you could even camouflage it with greenery etc.
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Old 15-02-2014, 11:52   #3 (permalink)
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

When I do remote shooting I have cut up an old camouflaged jacket and used one sleeve as a lens cover and use the hood for covering the camera clipping it down with the hoods press studs, it keeps the camera quieter and dry as well.
Dont you have a quiete setting on your camera?

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Old 15-02-2014, 12:37   #4 (permalink)
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

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Or make an insulated box with just a hole for the lens - you could even camouflage it with greenery etc.
That is what I thought of straight away.
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Old 15-02-2014, 23:56   #5 (permalink)
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

A few alternative thoughts based on trying out a few things without shooting just to see what startles them ...

As birds have better hearing at the high end than we do ... in order to let them become accustomed to the sound of the [USM/AF-S] focus unit, use AI servo/continuous focus. Keep the camera focussing before you intend to fire off a shot and they may be more likely to stay around. The first shock that they react to is the instance that the USM/AF-S motor switches in, and they will often be off before/as you have completed triggering the shot.

To try and prevent scaring them with iris movement (not sure if this the motor they react to or the closing of the iris) use a lens hood (turn OFF IS/VR as the sound of it will often be amplified by the lens hood) in all cases and try to have the light behind you. They seem less bothered than shooting into the light.

Strange as it may seem LTTs will quite happily accept your presence as long as you keep active, moving steadily and not doing anything suddenly - don't stop for any length of time and then move again. I have had them come and join me in a tree that I was pruning, and they were not bothered one bit. In fact I was able to go and get a camera and take some shots - not good ones unfortunately because I was using wide angle to show how many were in the tree at the same time. They were certainly not disturbed by the noise of the shutter - it was just part of the normal movement that this animal (me) was making.

Nikons have a 'quiet mode', I'm not sure of the Canons, but the most noise generated by Nikons is the Aperture motor - if you stop down to check the DOF it makes more noise than the mirror. This is caused by an electric motor in the camera body. An electronic aperture that use ultrasonics or voice coil technology is only available on a couple of Nikon lenses - e.g. the expensive 800mm. Canon I believe have electronic aperture as standard (controlled by a circuit in the lens).

About a silencer - the sleeve is the simplest, and a box possibly the most effective. You might try expanded polystyrene cut to shape or cut a hole in a cardboard box for the lens hood and using a couple of plastic bags fill the free space in the box by filling the bags with a polystyrene spray thus making a mould that you can use several times. I say 2 bags (maybe 3) so as to be able to separate the bags from the camera.
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Old 16-02-2014, 06:51   #6 (permalink)
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

I've often wondered whether from a birds point of view they see a lens as a huge eye and huge eyes usually means a preditor
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Old 16-02-2014, 08:20   #7 (permalink)
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

That's a valid thought Jake - lining up on a bird doesn't seem to bother them until they get sight of the lens glass. I've also noticed that they tend to be spooked by their own reflection in the lens if they get close, but the thing they seem to react to most is sudden, or predatory (like a stealthy advance) movement.
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Old 16-02-2014, 21:50   #8 (permalink)
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

Never had any problems, often just standing there - greed overcomes all and they just get used to me and camera. If there's a fake shutter/winder, surely you can mute it? But my 7D has a goodly loud 'slap' and the Sigma 150-500 stabiliser sounds like a jet taking off!
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But my 7D has a goodly loud 'slap' and the Sigma 150-500 stabiliser sounds like a jet taking off!
the 150-500 is really that loud? (getting really close to ordering one..)
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Old 17-02-2014, 08:47   #10 (permalink)
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the 150-500 is really that loud? (getting really close to ordering one..)
I guess not really - just seems so compared to my other stabilised lenses! And it may well be that they've made it quieter - had mine about 5 years now (and still going strong!)
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the 150-500 is really that loud? (getting really close to ordering one..)
Don't forget that Tamron now have their 150 -600 available. Could be a better buy.
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

I need one for a 45 semi auto,,,,, But I don't break the law
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the 150-500 is really that loud? (getting really close to ordering one..)
Before you buy, may I suggest looking at the review on DXO. It rates the new Tamron 150 / 600 as better than the Sigma and the Canon 100/400.
It also gets better rating in a few other reviews.
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

Ooh! That Tamron 150-600 does produce great output and is superb value! Thanks for mentioning!
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

sigma are always noisey both my sigma lenses are as was the one i sold
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Don't forget that Tamron now have their 150 -600 available. Could be a better buy.
thanks for pointing that out
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Re: I need a "Silencer", Canon 350D.

I find the mirror 'slap' noisier than anything else on my Nikons.
Does the Canon have a 'Live-mode' like Nikon, where you flip a switch and then you can view the scene via the LED screen on the back? that could be one answer as you are eliminating mirror noise, the other thought, if you are releasing remotely you are probably focused on one point, why not pre-focus the lens and leave it on manual focus and not use the auto-focus either of those would then eliminate quite a bit of noise.

Not familiar with Canons so hope this helps.
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