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Old 08-10-2008, 19:03   #1 (permalink)
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I had an appointment at the hospital very early this morning so thought I would walk home, on the way home I went through Pittville park which is split into two parts which both have lakes, the second is more wilder and with that beautiful sunlight the reflections of the trees were wonderful.

So I had been there for about twenty mins taking some nice pics and along came all these ladies with there pushchairs full of screaming kids and dogs off there leads out of control doing somesort of keepfit group and desided to stop where I was taking pictures, so out of courtesy I put the camera down while they were there so that they did not think I was taking pictures of them.

They still had the audacity of complaining to the local community police about this man hovering around with a camera and I had to prove what I was doing.

They wanted to see the pictures I was taking and that I was not taking pictures of the ladies. When I imformed them that I had actually put the camera away in the bag while they were near me and that I would be writing to Chief Constable about them, they were a little less bullish.

But I am getting a bit fed up that I cannot walk around my own town with my camera, it is getting worse, specially as I have been asked to take these shots by the council.
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Old 08-10-2008, 19:22   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Its getting Worse

Hope you also made the Council aware of this - especially if you were working for them - and ask them to take it to the local police authority, to which they ought to have an input.
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Old 08-10-2008, 19:28   #3 (permalink)
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I would have told them to **** off
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Old 08-10-2008, 19:30   #4 (permalink)
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Time to write to local rag. You might even get some free publicity from it
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It may be worth joining the NUJ and carrying a Press Card, if you do a reasonable amount of paid work.
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Hoffy, you will be aware that our last Club Chairman took up this general issue with the Chief Constable who gave his assurances that you could not be stopped and searched for just carrying a camera unless you were using it just near one of the two main military sites in the county. Perhaps the council could issue you with some sort of pass that you could show people. It is not just the fault of the police but the general public who seem paranoid about anyone taking photographs but themselves.

There is a lot to be said for going around in a group now. When we had our recent club visit to Birmingham, four of use went round the city centre afterwards blatently photographing, buildings and people and nobody challenged us. In fact a group of youths came up to us and insisted on posing for us though they were rather disappointed when they realisd that we were not the local press. Our impression was that people assume that we must be OK if there is a group. To be fair we did ask permission of anyone who was photographed close up and one guy begging was suitably paid. At least one person asked not to be photographed so we respected their wishes.
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It won't be long before we'll all have to be licensed.
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Sounds like a typical renta plod, I suggest a letter to the local press quoting the comments made by the Chief Constable. Plus a letter to the police clarifying the situation. On a recent trip to St Pancras i was on the understanding that i had to have permission to take photos etc and use a tripod, I asked the platform plod where and who i had to go and get this. "I didnt know you had to" was the reply. Anyway a visit to the main station office i was sent to another room and had to fill a form out, i had to produce no ID whatsoever, anyway they give u a badge to clip on and away u go for as long as you want.
Certainly comes to something when you cant walk throu the park. Moving more and more to the point where you are somehow certified to be allowed for "Public Photography".
I hope you got their numbers, recently i was stuck in traffic late at night on the A44 there was about 20 cars back and not moving anywhere, got out and walked down to where the plod had planted his volvo across the road, I asked how long was the road going to be shut. As i said there were no warnings prior and the last turn off was 3 miles back, to which i had "If i had a problem with the logistics of the accident that the best thing i could do and i quote "Was turn around and p155 off". I asked him for his number and got right arrogent. He started to follow me back to the car and i had another ear bashing!
I dont think the renta plods are a bad thing but they must sort out the "power going their head" syndrome
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i keep readin about all these people who keep getting stopped........... and wonder what is it that makes people stop you............. do u think its a male/ female thing? cos i have to admit to getting into lots of places im not "really" supposed to be and been seen....... and have never ever even been questioned about taking photos............... whilst i firmly believe that people take male photographers more seriously than female i do also wonder if female photographers have an edge over being able to get away with more?

Discuss,................
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Interesting thought!
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i keep readin about all these people who keep getting stopped........... and wonder what is it that makes people stop you............. do u think its a male/ female thing? cos i have to admit to getting into lots of places im not "really" supposed to be and been seen....... and have never ever even been questioned about taking photos............... whilst i firmly believe that people take male photographers more seriously than female i do also wonder if female photographers have an edge over being able to get away with more?

Discuss,................
If you think for one moment that I'm going to buy a drag kit to add to my camera kit...........

Can you imagine Dame Edna with a D300 around her neck?

I think I'd get stopped even without the camera!
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i keep readin about all these people who keep getting stopped........... and wonder what is it that makes people stop you............. do u think its a male/ female thing? cos i have to admit to getting into lots of places im not "really" supposed to be and been seen....... and have never ever even been questioned about taking photos............... whilst i firmly believe that people take male photographers more seriously than female i do also wonder if female photographers have an edge over being able to get away with more?

Discuss,................
Think you may be right here. Still won't stop me walking around with the camera though, but I will be popping into the council offices to one file a report of this and to to get writen permission to be walking the streets taking pictures for the council and arts council.
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Hasn't happened to me at all, although I hear about it a lot from forums like this and magazines. I just look like the teenager playing with daddy's camera, and no one seems to have a problem.

Although I agree that carrying around an SLR, especially with a large telephoto on it, looks very intimidating to someone not educated.
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It's happened to me. Not just council workers, but a police sargeant who tried to intimidate me into deleting photos. I sometimes think I'd get less attention if I left the camera at home and wore a placard that said "Terrorist and Child Molester" instead.

We'll never get licensed, we'll just get banned.
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I would of took that further.
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Think you're right Fi. I recently took some shots of our town centre for work. I stood right in the middle of the street with a tripod snapping away and was ignored by all. I felt quite invisible, which was odd as I thought I might get a bit of hassle.
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I tend to be out with the kids when I take photos(not just of the kids), never been stopped yet.so if you don't want to be hassled either dress as a laydee or borrow a brat from someone!
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Think he will have to invest in a Gillette thou !!
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im quite a large chap and if people even dare to look at me in a way that says im about to question you about what your taking pictures of they get a look that says (well i cant write it here cos some ###### wil complain). I think its a confidence thing. Anybody see the tv prog with esther about how many people would stop to help a child in distress? over 1000 people walked past a child in obvious distress and about 5 stopped but were distant. says something about the society that we live in dont ya think?
I take photographs all over the place and on the odd occasion some git questions it as if im a sicko or something I just turn it back on them, "your sick" kinda works well.
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This weekend will be interesting.

I usually try to be part of the furniture when I take pictures of people on the street; I don't like drawing attention to myself (though once you're in the zone you tend to forget that). Recently one of my unwitting subject's friends found my photoblog and left a comment (not negative). He also told all his friends. The blog's stats went from an average hundred views per day to over 600, with most referrals from facebook and MySpace. Now these kids will be on the lookout for a guy with a camera. I'm interested to know how (or if) they'll respond.
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