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Old 07-04-2010, 04:13   #1 (permalink)
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Question A little Help/Advice

Hello,

I am having a bit of what I'm sure is a common problem. I have been using and am quiet comfortable with my Nikon D60. I just recently purchased a Canon EOS 50D, thinking it would be a great upgrade. Now I have gone out and taken around 700 +/- pics with this new camera. For some reason the majority of my pics look great in the LCD preview and even in the basic windows preview. The problem comes in when I magnify them to the 100% or higher. I don’t think it is an issue of camera shake as much as an autofocus issue. I am going from a 3 point AF to a 9 point AF. Is this a normal issue when making these kinds of changes?

So my main question would be; is there some sort of learning curve between Nikon & Canon? I know that it shouldn't matter what equipment that I'm using, but more the settings, since my camera does exactly what I tell it to.

My wife and I took the same pic both off hand with drasticly different results. Here are the specs.

Sun was bright

Wifes Pic Info:
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F/4.2
1/50th shutter
ISO - 200
Focal Length 24mm

My Pic Info:
Canon EOS 50D
F/4.5
1/250th shutter
ISO - 400
Focal Length 28mm

My wifes pic came out crystal clear and very sharp. Mine came out just a little soft. That being said you should know that my wife has a very shaky hand. I have even exchanged the new camera thinking there might be a problem with the "IS". I am now trying to decide if I should take the Canon back and get the Nikon.

Note: That even using a tripod and a 2 sec timer function I still end up with a soft focus. Doesnt matter if I use AF or MF.

Whatever info and advice you can share would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Patrick
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Old 07-04-2010, 08:08   #2 (permalink)
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Re: A little Help/Advice

I guess some example shots would help but I'm wondering whether you're focussing (or rather the camera's focussing!) on something other than your main subject? f/4.5 will give a shallow DOF, and so emphasise a 'missed' focus. It certainly won't be camera shake as 1/250 for 28mm would be more than fine
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Old 07-04-2010, 09:38   #3 (permalink)
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Re: A little Help/Advice

Welcome to Pixalo Pmeek77

As Mark said - it is most likely that the camera is not focusing on the main subject in your shots. If you are using a tripod, you must be taking landscape or shots of static objects, so I'm wondering why you are using ISO 400 and f4.5, which as Mark said has a narrow depth of field - even with a focal length of 28mm.

I'm not familiar with the Canon focus system, but there are plenty of Canon users here who are, but I'd suggest having a good look at the focus section of your manual, and trying some shots with manual focus.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:15   #4 (permalink)
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Re: A little Help/Advice

I upgraded from the 20D to the 50D, there was a learning curve for me focusing. 50D is faster and precise. I finally picked it up and it's fine. I have three different brands of cameras. I would say if your happy with your Nikon, stay with it. If you decide to stay with your canon, set your focus to the center point by using your multi controler to center the little light in your lens. Practice.
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:49   #5 (permalink)
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Re: A little Help/Advice

I know nothing about Cannon but could it be that your wifes eyesight is better than yours and you need to alter the eyepiece to suit your eyesight? I know I am right on the end of the range on my camera without glasses.
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Old 07-04-2010, 13:12   #6 (permalink)
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Re: A little Help/Advice

One thing that you haven't mentioned is what lens you are using on your Canon 50D ?
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Old 07-04-2010, 22:44   #7 (permalink)
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Re: A little Help/Advice

chris beat me to it, im also wondering why you decided to change systems given u must have already had nikon lenses
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:56   #8 (permalink)
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Re: A little Help/Advice

Ok, I'll try this again. I replied earlier but it never showed up for some reason.

First things first; Thank you all for the response. I will try to answer everyone here. I was looking at the Nikon D90 at first since I do have a flash gun and a couple of lenses. I decided to change systems because I actually had the Canon in my hands and the controls seemed more natural to me, plus I like the large burst feature and 15mp. I shoot a lot of my sons hockey games and the faster fps would be a huge benefit.

I thought it might have been the eyes so I have gotten an eye exam and who knew, 20/20. The lens I have on the Canon is 28-135mm 1:3.5-5.6. Here are the pics I am talking bout. They are nothing special just a test between the two cameras.

My wife's pic Wifes Pic - Pixalo Photo Gallery

My pic My Pic - Pixalo Photo Gallery

This is the pic that I liked the most but it also frustrated me the most due to a softer than expected focus. It was breezy at the bottom so I guess that it could have shaken the camera a bit.
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These of course won't show exactly what I am talking about due to size limits on here

I did however go out today and I was able to get some better pics focus wise anyway. I would have to agree that I am going to need some more practice with the new system.
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Re: A little Help/Advice

Difficult to tell due to size, as you say, but the waterfall shot looks OK apart from the soft water due to long exposure and burned water from overexposure

The bridge shot just looks a little underexposed when compared to your wife's - some PS'g can up it:
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Old 13-04-2010, 06:44   #10 (permalink)
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Re: A little Help/Advice

Thank you to everyone for their advice and oppinion. I broke down and went back to Nikon I purchased the D90 with a 18-105mm lens. So far so good. I am back to taking very nice photos again
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Re: A little Help/Advice

I have to be honest that I can't see that your shot is softer than your wifes. It could just be the monitor here at work but I think yours looks sharper. I was specifically looking at the top of the rail on the left hand side. It's underexposed slightly because of the fast shutter speed though. I'd like to see the same shots using the same spec from the same location (i.e. tripod). Then we could make a proper comparison.
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Old 14-04-2010, 17:45   #12 (permalink)
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I do plan to go back there and take the same pics over again, with the new camera. Only thing is it’s a two hour drive so it might be next week before I can get back up there. The obvious differences in sharpness never showed to me until viewed at 100% but those pics were too large to upload here.

The AF on the Nikon has 11 points rather than the Canon's 9 points. The Nikon however has a more accurate AF you see it averages 8 or 9 point at a time, where the Canon was only averaging 3 to 4 points at a time. Plus I think part of it might be the difference between the two camera's "image stabilization"

Maybe since I have been using Nikon cameras since my first camera, I guess I might also be slightly biased

One thing that I found very interesting is that the Nikon shows a nice cross hatch type line linking the focus points. I know that the Canon is supposed to have the same feature, but it only works with lenses 2.8 or faster from what I understand.

I will try to go back and get the same pics again and upload them for comparison.

Once again I would like to thank all of you who have offered advice
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I have used both Canon and Nikon....learning curve for focusing.....Hmmmm nope.
is there a learning curve when you switch brands..YES....the dials are different, the menus and even how you fine tune your focus, your sharpness, your color and things, but the general operation....NOPE.
The difference is # of points of focus between the two bodies might account for your softness, but I would suspect you might just have some minor differences when you took the picture and sometimes AF messes up. AF is not perfect each and every time. Sometimes it hunts and sometimes it is off a tad. But I would start with taking lots of picture, blowing them up and check..and then look in your menus to fine tune your focusing to the way you like it and just learn how your camera behaves. I mean if you are talking about blowing things up to 100% or more you are looking at FINE FINE tuning your camera to the way you like it.
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I moved from a nikon d200 to 40d yonks ago and struggled with focusing on fast moving subjects. Moved to a 1d and it was fine again. Also had a 5d which struggled some times. Now back to nikon d200

From my experience you can adapt to different manufacturers cameras. It may just take a little time. But if you are used to 1 make and happy with it then I think you have made the right decision
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bit late in replying and i know u have gone back to nikon and as long as u are happy thats fein..........
but i couldnt see any difference at all between the shots apart from in the exposure rather than the focussing. I have had no problems with any of my canons focussing although the 7D focussing is a whole different ball game from the 400D and 30D
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