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Old 20-01-2009, 02:41   #1 (permalink)
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Smile loves full auto

recently went on a holiday to the philippines and everything was kind of on the go and found full auto very useful even with family photos.
i was very pleased with the exposure and found the other modes useless(except for program and manual,used it every now and then but not a great deal)
i use a 400D,18-55,70-200 F4 IS USM

i guess the reason i found full auto useful was because of the convenience of having the camera decide QUICKLY the correct exposure rather than me fiddling around the settings while my Family members hold their smiles or miss a shot and not a capture a moment(especially with my 3yo nephews)

any general comments suggestions etc ..... cheers
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Old 20-01-2009, 03:14   #2 (permalink)
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Re: loves full auto

Modern cameras are clever and get it right most of the time in decent shooting conditions. It's better to use Auto than to miss the shot. The more Manual you go, the more time you have to spend thinking about the shot and the settings, and the more chance there is of either making a mistake or losing the opportunity.

I wouldn't knock it, although it does have its limitations and I'd suggest experimenting with different modes under different conditions to discover why Auto isn't always the best.
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Re: loves full auto

If Auto's doing what you want then use it - it's what it's there for!

I tend to wander around with a setting of Av or Tv according to the lens attached. Av for a wide and Tv for a telephoto - then camera's always as ready as it can be to take account of the surroundings. Of course it all comes unstuck when I have to rapidly change the lens!
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i cant see the point in having a DSLR and then keep it on auto....... what is the point, Im gonna be shot down for being harsh, but surely its a bit of camera snobbery.,... " look at me im a photographer with a REAL camera"............. and then u spoil it all by letting the camera do it all for you. ANYONE can point a camera at a subject and take a good image on auto...... you should see some of my sons images using the same camera and he uses AV ( he is only 11 btw), not everyone can take the time and put in the effort to learn how to use their cameras...... and thats fine,if thats what they want from a camera, but dont pretend to be into photography when u are willing to let the camera to the actual work for you.. you would be better off with a wee point and shoot if u are going to let the camera do all the work for you.

<<and found the other modes useless>> and im sure all the other photographers who have put hours into learning about the other modes in all types of situations would agree????????? i dont think so somehow.

this of course is only my own opinion. but you did ask for it!

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Re: loves full auto

3 Year old nephews you say? I've had no problem "shooting" my nephews with my camera set at about1/80 on shutter priority, in fact just a few weeks ago I got a great shot of one of my nephews roaring with laughter while watching a DVD - and he's just recently turned three.
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i cant see the point in having a DSLR and then keep it on auto....... what is the point, Im gonna be shot down for being harsh, but surely its a bit of camera snobbery.,... " look at me im a photographer with a REAL camera"............. and then u spoil it all by letting the camera do it all for you.
I think that's something that a lot of people think and not many people say, so your honesty is to be praised (possibly right before the machine guns start ).
It is frustrating for me when I see people with expensive (often more than in this case) cameras with clearly no idea what they're doing, and not using them to their full potential when there are those out there who deserve better gear but can't necessarily afford it, but you have to ask why it's annoying, since it doesn't actually concern you (or me), and surely people are allowed to buy what they like? (of course). Also, purely practically, dSLRs DO have inherently better IQ than any compact on the market at the moment, and if you can afford it then that might be a factor.

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ANYONE can point a camera at a subject and take a good image on auto......
C'mon Fi, I think you know that's simply not true...it's pretty easy to weed out the 'n00bs' just by looking at their comp and timing, plus editing if applicable. Not to say that some people aren't talented before they pick up a camera, but you can see the 'rawness' of beginners very easily once you've seen a few. If anyone could do it this wouldn't be the case.

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you should see some of my sons images using the same camera and he uses AV ( he is only 11 btw)
Av isn't auto, and he's got a photographer for a mum, what d'you expect?

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, not everyone can take the time and put in the effort to learn how to use their cameras...... and thats fine,if thats what they want from a camera, but dont pretend to be into photography when u are willing to let the camera to the actual work for you.. you would be better off with a wee point and shoot if u are going to let the camera do all the work for you.
Did anyone say he was 'pretending' to be into photography? He was just flagging up the uses of auto mode for situations where photography probably isn't the main concern, but nice photos are still wished for.

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<<and found the other modes useless>> and im sure all the other photographers who have put hours into learning about the other modes in all types of situations would agree????????? i dont think so somehow.
I think that is a misleading quote in that he didn't mean that (well, as I read it). I think he meant they were too difficult to try to control whilst shooting kids and thinking about other things. Seasoned SLR users like many of the regulars on here wouldn't have this problem, but perhaps our OP is a beginner, and therefore doesn't have blood type "1/250f/8" running through his veins

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this of course is only my own opinion. but you did ask for it!

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Re: loves full auto

I think that if you have a Pro or Semi pro camera and leave it at full auto, Why not just get a Point and Shoot Camera it's hundreds of dollars less expensive
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I think that if you have a Pro or Semi pro camera and leave it at full auto, Why not just get a Point and Shoot Camera it's hundreds of dollars less expensive
IMO
I agree, I was using my first DSLR on full auto for a month or so while I played around with other settings with the help of a field guide and my father.
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Re: loves full auto

Well, to be honest, there's only 3 shooting modes you need on a camera.

Manual
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Shutter priority

It is just as quick, simple and easy, to use aperture/shutter priority as it is to use auto, but with more control over the exposure.

All the other shooting modes you get on cameras these days are just automated variations of the above, but without the control.

I have got a Canon 20D with 12 shooting modes and a 1D which has 5 shooting modes. If all these extra modes were of any use surely they would be on a proffesional camera.
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Re: loves full auto

Mainly OT... John - glad to see another Floyd fan - currently listening to The Division Bell.

On topic again... Some of the 'Basic Mode' settings can be handy. If an opportunity to shoot a moving subject crops up without warning, switching to Sports mode is a quick option.

I think that some of you guys and gals are being a bit hard on the OP. Using Full Auto or P may be a good intro to a DSLR while you figure things out. When someone gets their first DSLR they may not know too much about the intricacies, and it's more helpful to explain why (e.g.) choosing the right aperture or shutter speed can make an improvement, rather than asking why he didn't buy a P&S.
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Some of the 'Basic Mode' settings can be handy. If an opportunity to shoot a moving subject crops up without warning, switching to Sports mode is a quick option.

I think that some of you guys and gals are being a bit hard on the OP. Using Full Auto or P may be a good intro to a DSLR while you figure things out. When someone gets their first DSLR they may not know too much about the intricacies, and it's more helpful to explain why (e.g.) choosing the right aperture or shutter speed can make an improvement, rather than asking why he didn't buy a P&S.
Nonetheless, to come on a photography forum and state that everything other than full auto is useless is a bit OTT.
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......Some of the 'Basic Mode' settings can be handy. If an opportunity to shoot a moving subject crops up without warning, switching to Sports mode is a quick option....
But with all due respect, all "Sports Mode" does is switch the camera to shutter priority, and ups the ISO which can't then be altered. But you've still got to set the correct shutter speed. Sports mode dosen't set it for you.
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Re: loves full auto

Sports mode on Canon EOS switches to AI-Servo, uses the maximum aperture, ISO 400 and chooses the shutter speed automatically. Maybe not ideal, but it can have its uses in a panic.
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Re: loves full auto

This may be a stupid question but anyway, can you shoot raw images in full auto mode. The reason I ask is that I have got myself a speedlite and have used it on auto. The only thing is that it shoots jpeg. Can I use auto, to benefit from the TTL, but produce raw files.

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I think some cameras select jpg when in auto mode. Someone who knows Canons will be able to confirm or refute this.
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Auto mode on Canon DSLRs (at least true for 20D/40D) only shoots jpg.
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I think some cameras select jpg when in auto mode. Someone who knows Canons will be able to confirm or refute this.
Despite having a few Canons I haven't a clue as I've never used Auto on any of my dSLRs........ ever! (nor ever produced a JPEG!)

Having said that, I know a 'tog who's produced so many superb portraits (and I mean really excellent!) that she's got a book deal. Since then she's learned to take the camera off Auto and is producing more stunning (and I'd say more artistic) shots. But I will say that she's somewhere where the light is always very good and the subjects and colours are vibrant!

So, I say use Auto for as long as possible if you can get away with it and produce the images you're after - photography isn't about using your camera manually it's about getting results that satisfy you.

I get far more irritated with them that have all the expensive gear, multiple camera bodies and produce mediocre or even dire compositions - there are a good number of them around and I reckon that they're the ones that should have Point & Shoots!
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I have read all the differing replies with interest but what i do notice is that the OP make some sweeping statements, BUT hasnt actually posted his images so we can comment on wither we agree with him for that situation or not?
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Re: loves full auto

+1 to Mark. The most important aspects of a photograph are subject and composition.

Dabs is right of course - RAW is available only in 'Creative' modes. But let's not be fundamentalist about that either - there's nothing wrong with a good JPEG, especially if you or the camera get the exposure right at the time.
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rosecran - use your camera however you feel comfortable, but don't get too comfortable on Auto. When you feel ready to move on to the next step, then that's when you do so - when you are ready. Auto is convenient, but manual is more fun Live a little + experiment with settings, it's the only way to learn
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maybe i should have mentioned that i have an expensive gear purely because of the image quality i get when i print them and therefore my family members have a excellent image quality photo album.
not so much to be creative, is it wrong to have an expensive gear that produces high quality image and only use it for that purpose ?
peeps that said "Why not just get a Point and Shoot Camera it's hundreds of dollars less expensive"
well... we all know a compact camera's lens is not even close to a canon's 70-200 F4 IS USM

i had a feeling i was gonna stir some folks with my post especially the "creative ones"
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maybe i should have mentioned that i have an expensive gear purely because of the image quality i get when i print them and therefore my family members have a excellent image quality photo album.
not so much to be creative, is it wrong to have an expensive gear that produces high quality image and only use it for that purpose ?
peeps that said "Why not just get a Point and Shoot Camera it's hundreds of dollars less expensive"
well... we all know a compact camera's lens is not even close to a canon's 70-200 F4 IS USM

i had a feeling i was gonna stir some folks with my post especially the "creative ones"
Hey If you have the money you can do whatever you want
I myself have spent money on some of the most useless software but I wanted to try it myself,
BUT the reason why I said that is because this IS a Photography forum and you said that you found the 'other modes useless'
but now that "you corrected" hey money comes money goes
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yes you are right i found the 'other modes useless' in MY case at THIS point in time
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yes you are right i found the 'other modes useless' in MY case at THIS point in time
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Sports mode on Canon EOS switches to AI-Servo, uses the maximum aperture, ISO 400 and chooses the shutter speed automatically. Maybe not ideal, but it can have its uses in a panic.
You're right Siky. What I said previously was slightly inacurate, I must have been suffering from A Momentary Lapse of Reason.

But in these auto modes you have no control over the exposure, you cannot override any of the default settings.
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Well, to be honest, there's only 3 shooting modes you need on a camera.

To be ultra-honest, there's only one - manual. I managed for years with an OM1.

The modes are there to give you more flexibility as you learn, but whether you choose to use them or not is up to you. Snobbery is fine, I'm prone to it myself, but it really depends on whether you consider the aim of photography to capture an image, or an ability to twiddle dials and buttons competently.

If you've splashed the cash to take the rabble to the Phillipines, then hash up your pictures because messing with exposure modes makes you look cleverer, you'd feel pretty stupid.
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... i have an expensive gear purely because of the image quality ... not so much to be creative
But you also have CS3 + Lightroom, which are designed for no other purpose than being creative

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is it wrong to have an expensive gear that produces high quality image and only use it for that purpose ?
No-one can tell you what gear you should or should not have. We can all say that a DSLR is wasted on someone who only ever uses everything on Auto (although some of us say it more politely than others ), but I can't say that it would bug me if you never moved off of Auto - that's your business. It would be a pity (for you) but still, I have nothing to say about it + would not dream of saying that it's "wrong" for you to have that gear!
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You're right Siky. What I said previously was slightly inacurate, I must have been suffering from A Momentary Lapse of Reason.

But in these auto modes you have no control over the exposure, you cannot override any of the default settings.
That's spot on. You can't Meddle with them.
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Last year I took a load of photos at an athletics meeting

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Nearly all of them were taken in 'sports' optimised auto mode, simply because the conditions were changing and I had enough to do panning and zooming correctly to frame the shot. So I let the camera do the exposure (even the iso speed) and the focus. There are only split seconds to get it right so messing arround will probably mean you miss the shot.

However I recntly finnished a City and Guilds in photography. All the portfolio shots were taken in either aperture priority 'semi-auto' or in manual spot program.

So I guess if you have the time to worry about 'depth of field' iso speed etc then take your time and get it right, otherwise let the camera take the decisions.

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Can't really agree with that. As a sports photographer, I can't rely on the camera making the decisions for me and getting the results I want and need.
It doesn't take long to set the camera up, it comes with experience and practice. If I'm at the velodrome and the bikes are hurtling towards me. I will have made my mind up before I shoot, what sort of apeture will be right, what shutter speeds I can use and what ISO I need. It's then just a matter of quick adjustments if needed to fine tune. Same with cycling on the roads, the weather can go from rain to sunshine quickly and you can adjust the camera just as quickly, again, practice makes if not perfect, at least competent.
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