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Old 18-01-2009, 19:28   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,

I have only been studying the wonders of Photography for around 8 months now.

I have read the "Understanding Exposure" book and this has given me a great understanding of metering.

However.....

I was wondering if anyone could give some examples of subjects they shoot and where they meter from, this is the thing I am struggling with, Am I supposed to always look for neutral grey?

I shall keep going through the book to let it sink in, but some extra advice would be fantastic.

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Old 18-01-2009, 23:11   #2 (permalink)
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Always helpfull if you can find a neutral grey in your shot. If not, try white!
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There is always the old trick of metering from the grass if there is any in the shot.
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Thanks guys.

Much appreciated.

I guess I just need it spelling out to me so it sinks in.

A lot of people have said Metering isn't hard, maybe I am worrying a bit to much.
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I will go for the easiest which is what graham sugests that you meter off the grass, it works fine, but most camera meters these days are very accurate, so dont worry too much about metering! You could also carry a grey card about with you and meter off that, but this can be a bit of a pain.

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Thanks a lot.

I shall take this on board.

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I'll meter off the scene - i.e. set the exposure/shutter (camera set to Av or Tv), dial in some estimated exposure compensation and then check the histogram/highlight warning. Nowadays I'm usually OK - and it's much quicker than faffing around with metering and settings in Manual (time you don't have with a sunrise/set). But as a very successful pro landscaper said to me "Why use something other than your camera meter as it's perfectly accurate and the camera is designed to work with it's meter"

Don't even use a grey card to set the WB (used to religiously carry it around but used it less and less). Shoot RAW and find the grey point afterwards in PP (if necessary)
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Numpty question alert:

For example, do you meter off the grass, use the AEL Lock (set to exposure only), then recompose and refocus?
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So I am not the only one then.

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Sorry, meant to say that I use Evaluative Metering (so metering off the whole image)

I will agree, before someone else jumps in , that if you're doing portraits/people, you might want to Spot meter off the skin plus set the WB (skin tones can be a prob to try and correct afterwards, even if RAW). In that case, you might use Manual or, as you say JAG, exposure lock
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For example, do you meter off the grass, use the AEL Lock (set to exposure only), then recompose and refocus?
Yes or if you are in manual you meter off the grass, or sky if it's nice and blue, then recompose the shot you want.

You can in the abscence of a grey card meter off your hand (palm) and dial in approx -2/3 of stop if I remember correctly. The technique is described in Understanding Exposure.

However as others have said modern camera's are pretty good at working the metering out themselves. They do get confused though, especially in a scene with lots of white (snow) or black and white. So it is best to have some strategies for overiding the camera when it gets it wrong.

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Numpty question alert:

For example, do you meter off the grass, use the AEL Lock (set to exposure only), then recompose and refocus?
You can do that, or to save having to do it for every shot, use manual and use the settings from the reading from the grass.

If you don't have consistant lighting do a reading at the darkest and lightest times and adjust the apature accordingly.
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right silly question as ive heard a lot about metering and just thought eh???? how do you meter in the first place?
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right silly question as ive heard a lot about metering and just thought eh???? how do you meter in the first place?
If your camera has Spot Meter, set it to that, point it at the object from which you want light metered
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i have the canon 40d but must have missed something i look at the WB bit and it just has some symbols will have to go back to my manual when back in UK and see what it says if not take a trip to the local waterstones and have a read there. in one of the canon 40d books...

sorry markulous still doesnt make much sense to me
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Nothing to do with WB Aidey - it is the metering mode you want. On a Nikon there is matrix (full frame), Centre weighted and spot.

Select the spot option and point it at some grass that has the same light on it as your subject - not in the shade if the subject is in full Sun or vice versa.

Note the shutter speed and aperture, select manual mode then use the shutter speed and aperure settings and Bob is your Uncle
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right ok i will look at that thanks guys for helping out just been taking some photos of the wife will post later after had a look at them on comp just going to watch slumdog millionaire so busy busy busy
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What about this then, a bit pricey....The White Balance Lens Cap at The Photojojo Store
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What about this then, a bit pricey....The White Balance Lens Cap at The Photojojo Store
Check out our reviews. Nothing to do with metering though.
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Check out our reviews. Nothing to do with metering though.
I understand what you are saying,but surely,establishing the appropriate colour/tone of a an image is very much a part of achieving the required metering/exposure ;or am I missing something.....
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I understand what you are saying,but surely,establishing the appropriate colour/tone of a an image is very much a part of achieving the required metering/exposure ;or am I missing something.....
There is some truth in that tho' it's not really connected to WB. You could take a lightmeter reading which didn't take into account the light spectrum fully (tho' it should) which might then lead to clipping (swamping, say the red channel, so it fails to display tonal variations, just max red)

This leads to reduced detail but may not be immediately obvious - tho' a 'proper' RGB histogram on the camera will show it (some Canons don't but my first dSLR did). Hence my comment about checking the histogram (and then paying careful attention to each of the channels)
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just going back to this in the digital photo magazine february edition it has a very nice metering section giveing good detail also on the website photoanswers there is a histogram tutorial video
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Most photographers who have been around a long time and who take a lot of pictures will know what most exposures should be or where abouts, in my case these days a quick glance through the viefinder is all I need to tell me the right exposure!
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I will check these out. Thanks.

Since I posted I have realised I should concentrate more on getting the creativity right, Metering is pretty simple I guess.

Not to say that I have grasped it like a pro, but it is slowly sinking in and isn't that daunting.
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Well, some basics that you need to keep under consideration..

  • Your camera just can't capture the full contrast range of any reasonably bright scene so you have to decide if you're going to record the highlights and let the shadows go black or record the shadows and let the highlights burn out. Left to itself, a modern digital cameras seem to expose for the shadows, going from the Canon, Olympus, Panasonic and Sony cameras I use.
  • In the old days of film, the general rule was to expose for detail in the shadows, if using black and white negative film, or for the highlights, if using colour transparency.
  • The best form of metering is incident light, because it tells you what's getting to the subject. A sensible incident reading will give you the best compromise for 90% of subjects. After that, you can decide which part of the image is most important and adjust your exposure accordingly.
  • If you use spot metering, you MUST understand what the tone level of the area metered is. Silly example: it's no good metering someone's face if you don't take into account the tone of their tan, Sven from Sweden will be a good four stops lighter than Yewande from Nigeria.
  • The best thing about digital is its immediacy. Shoot lots of identical pictures using the exposure adjustment at different settings to learn how exposure in general and your camera in particular, handles shadows and highlights.
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Good info there.

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Or if you're not sure bracket the shot, or us an incident light meter, rather than the reflected light meter in the camera (especially if you're in the studio).
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Hi, any info on this ( Understanding Exposure ) such as publisher/author would be greatly appreciated
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I can recommend Michael Langford - basic photography
It is good for someone with some photographic knowledge and is thirsty for more. It tends not to be discounted since it's a recommended book for many photographic courses.
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