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Old 07-12-2009, 19:21   #1 (permalink)
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On Saturday we were in London and visitied Osterley Park in West London. Usually NT do not allow photos at all but I thought "I'll ask anyway". I was told by the head honcho I could take photos but no flash - a step in the right direction.

On entering every room I was TOLD "You can't take photos in here" and fifteen times I replied that I could without flash. They all said "Oh...all right then" I'll put some shots up later.
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The National trust rules are no photographs allowed anywhere, flash or not.

I'm a fully paid up member and it irks me sometimes.

Not far from me is Styal Mill which I love the atmosphere and the site is perfect for those black and whites I love so much.

One of my friends is a Trustee ( sounds like a prison goody twoshoes ) there and I asked her what chance I'd have. Her reply was if you get caught plead insanity, easy for me LOL.

The rules are apparently to stop the silverware being photographed for theft, I replied I think you'd see me sneaking out with a loom under my jacket " to which two old wrinklys nearly fell over laughing.



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The NT does allow photography by arrangement. We have arranged two visits to NT properties by Club members recently. On each occassion the visit was for 2 to 3 hours on a day closed to the public. We had to pay a fixed amount around £200 and were limited to 20 members. In each case there were no restrictions on Photography and Tripods were allowed. Flash was allowed (at one Property) but many avoided flash and used HDR. One of the NT locations is using some of our images for their publicity now. We agreed to let them do so on the basis that the use of our images was retricted to publicity for the NT only and could not be sold on without the copyright owners permission. The charge is not unreasonable as they have to open up and have two staff on duty. At the one location we were allowed to roam free which meant we could really spread out. At the other location we had to be accompanied which was a little more difficult but they were very cooperative and we got all the shots we wanted. Of course we all signed an agreement that we would not use our photographs for commercial purposes with seeking agreement with the NT but nor can they do so without our agreement. Given that they have some fabulous properties to photograph and the Club members only want the images for competitions and personal use, it is a very good arrangement.
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I did the same Dave with a Trash the wedding dress shoot. The site we used was a ruin so no chance of causing problems. We paid just £40 and the site was kept closed for an extra 1 1/2 hrs which was great.

I think as long as your not stupid about it a lot of sites let you take the odd shot or two without problems.

Maybe we should respect the NT more for their hard work and great places to visit.
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I'm a fully paid up member and it irks me sometimes.
I also am a full member and since I spoke to the boss first I regarded it as " by arrangement" as Dave says. My gripe is that the rank and file were not aware and just being a bit "jobsworth".

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Sorry about the image Stephano it's a direct linked one from my site, I'll redo it later and drop the size a tad. Just need to remember where I put the origional LOL.

I'm one who supports the NT they get a bad press sometimes but do great work.

I'm going to try and get written permission to go to Styal Mill next year and spend a little more time there
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Thanks Chris, I agree about them doing a good job and, after all, they are volunteers. When you say Stall Mill, that's not Quarry Bank is it? That is certainly worth a visit.
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Yes it's known by some as Quarry Bank but I'm from round ere as they say so to me it's Styal Mill.

It's a great place to visit in the spring or summer. What you don't always get to know is that there is a Mill, Apprentice Cottage and a little Ancient Village to see as well.

Go during the week when it's a little quieter and you'd love it
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Im a member of the Scottish national trust as well as historic scotland. Historic Scotland dont mind you taking photos. National Trust do mind.has that stopped me not a chance. have I been caught...... nope. but i dont use flash.
they dont mind you shooting the outside of the buildings its ust the inside..... and using hte excuse about silver is nonsense as most of the rooms havent got silver in them!
I think when they charge the exhorbitant prices that they do ( and this is probably one reason why they are in so much trouble no one can afford to visit) the least they can do is to allow photography . i can see the reasoning about no flash but not about no photogrpahy.
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Your not wrong there Fi, but there's a way to make it more affordable and at least they get paid something.

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I have a somewhat more jaundiced view of the National Trust. They get a lot of taxpayers' money, operating as a charity, and their 2005 income was a tad short of £315million. They don't stint themselves (seen their HQ in Swindon?) and their prices are aimed square at the well heeled middle classes - Council house layabouts need not apply. Anyway, if you can afford a camera, you can afford their overpriced postcards...
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As Dave said by arrangement only, but again when on site sometimes they turn a blind eye to it but using flash is a no go, the chances of getting a good shot in any national trust property without a tripod for support is nill,ok perhaps one or two, again flash kills everything.The National Trust should allow photography at any time because the price to get in to their properties can be very expensive, I fell out with the National Trust over 38years ago and never set foot in a property again untill last year when we became members again, sad story but true!
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Shame because I live in what was a council house until I bought it off them, it's us supposed barrel bottom scrapings that spend more on NT than posh people do.

ps I wish people would stop tarring all council house tennants with the same brush, it's damned insulting
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Sorry Chris, it wasn't meant that way.

I was a council house tenant myself and I have more respect for many tenants than I have for some members of the 'middle classes'. In my experience, most tenants are genuine people with a damned sight more courtesy and kindness than those clawing their way up the slippery pole of so-called 'success'.

The finger was being pointed at the attitude of the NT and not tenants.
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I'm another who avoids NT. Major attitude problem with going into a couple of properties; that and their dreadful track record for divesting themselves of properties that have been left specifically for the public (I wonder where the sale money ended up - ah, yes the NT's coffers). I've a friend who wanted to marry at one of their castles - there was so much in the way of restrictions and additional payments that she went for a non-NT property

Mind you, they're doing a good job reseeding the heather around Kinder. Seems they can afford the helicopter delivery system (in fact you can always spot the NT parts of the National Parks for the money spent - the Authorities certainly don't get that kind of budget! )

Ironically, I'm off to one of their properties this weekend - damned tempting to take my camera as I'll be on 'the other side of the fence' (and I will probably ask about fulltime access )
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How about this that I just remembered,about 4 years ago the Mrs and I had been out for a stroll near to a NT property it was about 2pm the back gate was open with nobody around and it was next to the small restraurant on site so a nice cup of tea would have gone down nice, we got to the counter and the food looked so good we decided to have a meal while looking at the menu a person came over and asked whether we had paid to come in I said no but we are only eating here and not looking around the property, I'm afraid you will have to leave was the reply so we got up and left, I suppose they were right in a way but our meal would have cost about 15 to 20 pounds so who were the losers? not us, we went to a pub up the road and had a 2 meals for a tenner! very nice indeed.
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Your not wrong there Fi, but there's a way to make it more affordable and at least they get paid something.

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i am a member but only cos they were giving away 18 months for 12 which was direct debit of £5 a month or thereabouts but for those who dont want to join just visit the occasional place its many times an impossible amount of money specially for a family.
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Sorry Chris, it wasn't meant that way.

I was a council house tenant myself and I have more respect for many tenants than I have for some members of the 'middle classes'. In my experience, most tenants are genuine people with a damned sight more courtesy and kindness than those clawing their way up the slippery pole of so-called 'success'.

The finger was being pointed at the attitude of the NT and not tenants.
IM STILL a council house tenant but its only cos i knew Sejanus didint mean it the way it read that i dont take offence
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Council House Tenants, Middle Class, its slowly creeping to my class........
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PMSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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