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Old 14-07-2011, 13:16   #1 (permalink)
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New blue sky infrared filter

Would like to know how many of you feel about the new filter from Life Pixel conversions to infrared. Looking at their site I have been glued to the floor as I was just about ready to send in for an enhanced color or full spectrum conversion. I don't normally go for the channel swap, it looks good for some pictures and using this filter might not work right in my head . Please give thoughts as I know there or some old timers that have put up some great IR and I would love to hear from so many people who have helped with out knowing by sharing their work on Pixalo.
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Re: New blue sky infrared filter

I have just over a years experience with a converted camera now. I do usually channel swap for colour but also convert to Lab mode and apply adjustments to the two colour channels for more drammatic effects. So far I have found that many do not seem to like colour IR including competition judges though B&W IR still does well. For the more drammatic colours, similar effects could be created on any image using photoshop so it is no longer obvious that it is IR. Most viewers are inclined to think that you applied a weird filter. While the new filter looks interesting, I still think the effect could be produced using PS.
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Re: New blue sky infrared filter

I've read thru some of the information on their site, they mentioned white balance from the whole composition. To me that means gray scale,,more control over color and the use of filters on lens itself would now be more involved in the effects and freedom of exspression. With color cameras after as much time I have used to learn balance, having another camera with more expansion over the 72NM into the visible window is temping. With one camera now to use as a converted IR, the next one needs to be in the right range. I tend to think the extra blue that needs a correct white balance will have lots of room to move over the 72NM which is a great B&W maker in itself.
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Re: New blue sky infrared filter

There's certainly getting a few filter conversions to choose from. Not too sure on the Super Colour one myself - but they say the B&W can be good. Still learning on my Enhanced. How much different the Blue one is compared to the enhanced channel swapped would be interesting. Not sure what that filter is letting through in terms of light NMs.
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Ah, right, my Sigma SD10 setup (simply unscrewing and removing internal dustfilter!) is equivalent to Full Spectrum Clear Filter - which makes absolute sense! Another reminder to take it out with me and get some shots!
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Ah, right, my Sigma SD10 setup (simply unscrewing and removing internal dustfilter!) is equivalent to Full Spectrum Clear Filter - which makes absolute sense! Another reminder to take it out with me and get some shots!
I'm sure the SD10 is a great camera, but I feel like there's nothing better then a camer you just pick up and take pictures with.
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Re: New blue sky infrared filter

I just made a photograghers mistake and went back to the Lifepixel site to read up on this filter again. I found that it is called the "super blue" filter and I read up on the graphing they provide on the amounts of what is allowed thru the filter. I tell ya, I hear that big ole sucking sound that comes out of the drain but now it's comeing from my wallet. I don't think I can wait any longer,, the prices have gone down sence the last time I did a conversion.
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I'm sure the SD10 is a great camera, but I feel like there's nothing better then a camer you just pick up and take pictures with.
That's all I do since I removed the dustfilter (it's a simple single screw anyway but now leave that camera IR-enabled) - then decide whether to add the R72 or leave as full spectrum.

Don't have any other filters as yet but might get a couple more for different light frequencies as I've the SD14 camera I could use in the same way - and both cameras take external power packs for the day when I can no longer get working li-ions (given their limited lifespans)
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That's all I do since I removed the dust-filter (it's a simple single screw anyway but now leave that camera IR-enabled) - then decide whether to add the R72 or leave as full spectrum.

Don't have any other filters as yet but might get a couple more for different light frequencies as I've the SD14 camera I could use in the same way - and both cameras take external power packs for the day when I can no longer get working li-ions (given their limited life-spans)
Thanks for throwing me a life per-server, camera's in the mail. I feel the limited light zone of near IR in the 72nm surrounding me. I have been trying to come up with new approaches that work for the 72mn and my list contains, "plant life, people, machinery, rustic settings, animals and bugs". Buildings and windows have fallin in favor of my color camera. I have a telescope and know the full spectrum can't be beat in those terms, I personally have not tried it yet. I received it as a gift. Any who my excitement has once again shown it's wobbly head. Thanks Mark for being a constant light post in my little photographic world.
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Re: New blue sky infrared filter

Cameras in the mail and I should have it in my hands in a few day's. I'll might come out of the pit's in the mud or I might take off flying. A little excited,
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Re: New blue sky infrared filter

Well camera came. Tested out the white balance and it seems to be just a little off as in most all of the programs I have to edit IR with the sky showed slight purple in the blue,,me no like. I will change it when I get a sunny day,,me be happy. I will show you my first picture of some dying flowers, we have had a heat wave of 99 to 114 heat index for 3 weeks. I'll wait until I get a happy white balance before I show the sky. It's cloudy now.



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Look forward to the results when you get the WB sorted on a sunny day.
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There's certainly getting a few filter conversions to choose from. Not too sure on the Super Colour one myself - but they say the B&W can be good. Still learning on my Enhanced. How much different the Blue one is compared to the enhanced channel swapped would be interesting. Not sure what that filter is letting through in terms of light NMs.
On the UV side for blue it lets in 210 to 500 nm at 10% transmission, 300 to 400 at 90%. It is flat up to 720nm at 90% transmission. The blue comes right out of the camera without adjustment, that is what I wanted to show really. I like the yellow and other soft colors. This is the first picture I have ever used DPP for. I thought it worked very well. Over all I am happy with the way it works, it will be a little more picky about composition then normal 720 nm maybe. I am supposted to be able to put a UV blocker on the front of a lens and it will shoot just 720 nm.
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Re: New blue sky infrared filter

Certainly sounds interesting and maybe worth a try with the UV. With my colour IR 20D I have found using DPP is better for RAW WB conversion than ACR. I am also thinking of occassionally trying a hoya R72 that I have on it. I think it should then act like a normal IR conversion. I'll have to set a different WB for that I think though.
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Certainly sounds interesting and maybe worth a try with the UV. With my colour IR 20D I have found using DPP is better for RAW WB conversion than ACR. I am also thinking of occassionally trying a hoya R72 that I have on it. I think it should then act like a normal IR conversion. I'll have to set a different WB for that I think though.
I do use Adobe Raw in LR3 with my converted 20D. I wonder if you have done al you need to allow Adobe Raw to work. I assume that you have created a custom WB by photographing green grass in bright sunlight which seems to be recommended by many. If you do so the WB will be below 2000 K but 2000 K is the lowest value Adobe Raw allows. There is a way round this. From Adobe Labs you can download the DNG profile editor which is used to create bespoke colour profiles for Raw conversion. However, tucked away in the instructions is a section on IR. This allows you to set a Raw profile for your 20D which offsets the WB by a 1000 K or so which brings it back into the range Adobe Raw can handle; it basically overcomes the 2000 K limit. Amazingly, this works really well and I now get neutral IR. I will update my website with more detail on this when I get time but you can find the information in Adobe Labs.
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Dave, downloaded profile editor but it didn't work, I must have something that doesn't meet requirements. But it reminded me of the one tab I never use, camera profile. So I adjusted the purple tint out of the blue as it was very slight anyway and this is what I have now. I only have a few pictures and it has been raining sense. It's a good day when you learn something, I moved to one of the presets ACR 4.4 and the blue sky came around. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will use this white balance for awhile and see what I end up with. I use an expo disc for that and the grass has always been to variable. Thanks again. Here's my resulting image I had with more sky, I opened it in ACR then once out I lightened the whole picture and nothing else. Only time will tell if it really looks like infrared and how I use it.


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I suspect that few mess with the Camera Calibration Tab. For some time I just ignored it but for my previous camera Adobe Raw only offered one profile anyway so that had to be correct? Adobe Raw does look at the Camera Model and select the relevant profiles for that model and for more recent cameras there may be a number of profiles offered. How many photographers ensure that the default is the one they want to use? I use a bespoke calibrated setting for my visible light camera.

For my converted IR I use the modified profile I mentioned above which offsets the WB. For your manual adjustment of the colour tabs, if you find a particualr setting which consistently produces what you want, you can save this profile and use as the default for that camera. I am not sure of the details for achieving this with PS but it is relatively easy with Lightroom and probably similar with PS.

It would be nice to see a picture with the sky, foliage and a few other object (building or water) just to see the effect but it looks interesting so far.
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