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Old 23-01-2017, 02:46   #1 (permalink)
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I have CS5 Extended,,, I took many upon many panos on my last vacation trip last month. I put them together in PS, flattened them, "9"pictures to blend in the last one worked on it for a while then saved and turned it off. This has just started to happen, I have never seen this other then about 4 times before. When opening I get a pop up saying that "this file is not supported in this version" one time before one of them opened and I worked it and saved it to a large jpeg. I use photo merge in PS. Whats a way to get around this.?
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Not had that.

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Are you saving in PSD or PSB format (or TIFF)? PSD has a size restriction; I use PSB for the very large panos I create from multiple frames.
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Wow good things to wake up to, I was done with 1/3 of my pictures, I process the ones I like and put in a easy find folder. This pano I did what alot of you might do and opened it, Went and sat in a comfortible chair and did some reading. The size of my pic is 65 inches wide at 300 res. I had worked on one corner , the other corners are good. I had an hour and a half into it. Ii is the first of about 12 large size pictures takin with my 1D4 16.1 sensor. I wanted to look into getting this one printed up as there are a number of new print shops popping up,,,everybody has a camera. This is of the painted desert in Arizona, we spent the whole day there. I can start over with another technique. I will try out and let you know what works first. The ld like me pano was 6 shots. It worked great.
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Boofers, I think you are pushing your luck to merge nine images, that is a lot of information to process in one go. Why do you need so many?
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I have formed a habit of taking a string of singles that can be used as both part of a few or more, what they look like when thrown up on my screen. It have in a weird way made my quick style of twisting and shooting better both for using as a single and part of usually 3 frames for a pano and they are strighter on the corners.. I would like a large picture of the painted desert to put up in my house, this set was hard to leave with less, the desert there is beautiful and looking at the sides I couldn't stop. I needed discipline. I will end up looking at the whole string from one ridge around thru a valley to a shorter ridge. I have never spent this kind of intetest in panos before, it's like learning the hard way. I was using my 24-105L at both ends. My lens is very tight and will set at like 65mm and stay there.
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Boofers, You use the same lens as myself. My way of taking panos is this:- Take a picture of the ground or your hand, this marks the start of your pano, take the pano images then repeat the first of your hand. Doing it this way makes the pano images easily found on your screen. As regards single images these should be taken separately and treated as such. File the panos separately. Just one more thing take an exposure reading and set the camera to manual exposure using this reading, this means every image has the same exposure and avoids seeing joins .
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A friend uses a free programme for panos now. Not 100% sure, but I think it is Hugin

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Hi Colin,,, good idea about marking you start and end, I have looked for both. I shoot straight manual and my pano come out pretty clean. I have been sitting here watching John Wayne then I'll take a look at this mess. It came to mind that I opened these and blended in Raw in photomerge so I the color casting and light is real close.I might try the Raw then save in Raw format and see if it helps. I save a psd when blended now.
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I have had no problems putting together pans of 20 or so mages in Photoshop (I am using the latest CC version). This one is 21 images: http://www.digitalscapephotography.c...0-130-Pano.jpg and this one is 15 images: http://www.digitalscapephotography.c...0-034-Pano.jpg. I have printed out the 15 image one (around 90 inches wide).

Why so many? Usually this happens when I am traveling and I do not have the optimal lens with me. So I take several shots with plenty of overlap. A tripod is another accessory that I usually do not carry when traveling, so shooting handheld, I shoot many frames to ensure coverage.

The resulting Photoshop files are large (I save in PSB format), especially when you start doing any layer editing. I don't keep all the edit layers (the file gets too big), so I merge various layers after I get the edit result I am looking for.
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Hi Digitalscape, Did most of the above, I remember I did have two layers with a blacked out mask. I found out that I have maximize psd and psb files. Problem is I tried all the programs I have and can't open and resave. Also didn't see psb on the save as list in the save pop up. Need to read about that, my eyes are so tired some times I don't read when I should. Thanks all. I might make up a few more and try out the save option. Have some Ideas,,,,thats good. Your panos look good, sure want one, I have 3 printers that will print a long pano but they don't have ink in them. Only the small one works. Thats why with all the new print shops opening up I wanted to try one out.
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I've stitched larger panos in CC and older versions. The number in photomerge should not be a big issue, providing your PC is capable of handling the size.

Good info on the PSB files John. Personally I tend to stitch and edit in one go. Then save as JPEG.
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I have 4 gigs of memory, mid-2011 model imac 27" and 20" screens, i7 processor. I would think thats enough to run my 65 inches. It was saved but not cropped, I was working on one corner to get as much size and cloning a hill side and went in to finish it off. It could be the editing putting some kind of error in the picture. Also didn't take that long to flatten and save to file, about 10, 15 minutes. Thanks all for your imput as I will be a better assembler when at the start. Out of the 9 pictures I could have left maybe 4 out. Photomerge has always done a very good job, I have never done 3 pics and 3 more then put those together. What ever it takes, I do wonder what these new or even the older 22 and 32 mega pix cameras do at it. Maybe that is where the increase in memory comes about.
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Well still haven't made up a new pano but I am convinced that because I blended a large file from camera raw that it just didn't mix with the psd. No worry while now I am straightened out I had to get Machunm software Luminar, it's in all in one editor or plug-in. I grabbed one of my painted valley pics and played with the lighting,it was get. Ran the batch on it, took about 20 munites to run full size pics 210 in all and saved as tiffs. They all looked good and thought it was a good buy. i have some of their other softare and saved ten dollars. At first I didn't like them but a few updates changed my mind. Thanks all for the ideas. Watching the size and useing psb and or tiffs is the way to go. Psb for over 4 gigs.
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The sound of your fork across a china plate just wiggled my ears. Yes I have looked at uping to 16, which is my upper limit. It works and I am sending a save up for Boofers bag if I haven't already,,,can't remember.

Yesterday I did press all the discount buttons for Luminar, very thankful for that. I can up another 2 gig memory cards with two slots empty. Luminar was 56 dollars, for what it does. Memory upgrades end up in a storage drawer sooner are later. Hard drives are the only invesments that stay around and work,,, thankfully. Ohhh now I have an up grade spin around in my head.....
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A really good solution for HDR and Pano is Lightroom cc, if you have it. I recently took 9 shots of Grand Central Station (Birmingham, England). This was just 3 shots wide but overlapping but each of these shots had 3 exposures. The three exposures are first processed using Photo Merge HDR. This produces three dng HDR Raw files which were each about 90 M Bytes. Because these are still Raw files you can edit non -destructively and use any of the Raw editing functions including lens correction which should be applied at this point. I then combine the 3 HDR dng files using Photo Merge Pano to produce a Panorama which is still a dng file and you can continue to edit using the Raw controls. A really cool feature of this is Boundary Warp which has a single slider to straighten those weird curved edges in panos. After completing any further editing, you can then export the final pano to your final format choice (TIFF for me). This is easy to use and gives natural looking final images and is probably the best features that Adobe added to Lightroom since cc came out.

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Hi Dave,,, I have this wicked deep pick trying to stay away from subscriptions. I don't know how long that will hold me back. The info on your work flow for hdr mix is quite good. But now It seems to narrow my logic back to my 4 gigs of memory as I read that walking thru photomerge in raw can produce errors easier then processing before merge. I get the dng files but my off the disc cs5 keeps telling me I need but can't have dng unless I upgrade. It worked once but I gave up with the it, i have tried a fresh download about 4 times, no go. I walked away thinking I needed to buy something.
I still am going into merge with a raw files blend them. Even thu I did my folder adjusted and saved as tiffs to a new folder to blend. I rememer years ago beta testing lightroom and ended up with aperture. I gave up on that after 5 years. I keep a book on processing notes, I will copy your flow to that, thanks. I do like to mask light and colors most of all. I should sit sown and just process some pictures, that will always make things good.
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OK,,Ran some different pictures, a count of nine. they each had about 50% content in a layer. It was working find as a tiff but then stopped. the picture was still active so I saved as a PSB and it never stop work right again.


Couldn't tone out the blue clouds, any ideas. I just stopped thinking. anyway I moved a little farther, thanks you all for your ideas.
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That is awesome panorama - what a view. Are the sands really pink ?

Select sky and desaturate ? Or mask and Restyle ?

Control point and Viveza the sky with tones / saturation ?
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Hi Chris,, it was pretty dark out and when lightening it changed somewhat. Sands are Orange to very light red with places that have purple and blue. Lots of shades of yellow so I would say in this valley the colors are a mix of light reds to orange red known to be all over the southwestern US. This picture was made in a test folder of Luminar to see how it worked out, it's great but the guy doing the processing let them all get very light. A problem for colors going wonky, but close and amazing place. Thanks for the information, now seeing a few fixes, selecting the sky seems the best here, thanks Chris. My learning curve doing panos is showing in glowing colors.
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I Ran a new pano of the same place,,but first some info. Here is the 2nd pop up I got when working with the tiff files that are all very bright.
I found a U tube and watched, looks also a download of a script to in stall all the files. They all concern XML panels, swf files and flash for CS4,5 and 6. My photomerge works find as long as I use a "PSB" extention. I left the other swf file info alone as it takes you into your hidden files and I would have had to written down a map to get to the changes, but it is there and will upgrade your color files.



Used Raw files to merge, opened my flattened pano in PS, Used 6 adjustment layers 1 mask on five layers except photo filter. I used 3 curves White, grey and black. 1 vibrance and 1 photo filter. I used Macphun Creative kit Noiseless Ck, Nik Viveza 2 and used a 50% grey to sharpen, that is High Pass. Looks a little better I think.
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That looks much more natural to me now Steven. Really lovely view and shot.

Can't comment on Luminar as I don't have a Mac. My PC is maxed out with the 16GB I think, in the 4 slots. Processor is fine for a bit as two year old i5. Graphics card is good too. AMD R9 380
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Debated with my self wheather to post another learning comment. I looked at the corners that are warped empty. Then it hit me, select it and use perspective to pull out the corners, worked great. But wait what did I do to the picture. I am thinking that because I twist and shoot that the valley looks not quite as wide. Then adding more goof to the crime it looks like the top corners of the ridges are rounded downward, the middle valley is higher then it was.
I want to take a few, move if I can to the left for me and take a few more and see if it helps the realism.
Anyway, besides spelling errors,,,,,,,,I think big panos need some thought before getting a right looking scene. I wanted to stretch this scene out at the sides,,. I was there, I have to live with the picture and I still want to make a better one. This place is 2 and a half day drive. Maybe some day.
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I bought Luminar but I'm not too sure about it yet. I got it with the pre-order deal plus my previous customer discount.. so I paid like $39 for it.. I've been mentally going over all the needs I have before I'd be able to drop Lr/Ps subscription.. and own most of the software I'd need, or know where to buy it..

I'm still falling on the side of keeping it though. case in point I know it well enough that I was able to tear through 367 images I took at an orchid show, doing 3 passes on purging, deleting culls, and going through the remainder in about 70 minutes the other day.. (this includes exposure tweaks and cropping and spot healing)

I hate deleting semi good pictures but it's the only way I stay sane managing all of them...

anyway I don't know how long that would have taken me in - say photo mechanic or other apps.. this ON1 photo management package that's on the way is intriguing. unfortunately their idea of lossless editing means making a copy of the original. I so enjoy the ability to explore by making a virtual copy and moving some sliders to make a different picture without making extra copies of a work.

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Hi Loyd, Luminar is just what it sounds like to me, altho it opens all my raw files and makes tiffs and thats ok. I like the plug-ins that are stand alones and do that. I also like to move light and it dose so with any type of IR very will. IR is alittle on the flat contrast side so it is a little kick for that. My first time using it I batched my whole set of that set of pictures just to see if it worked good from raw to tiffs, worked fine. In that way Luminar is only stronger with the light adjusting, I over did it here in the pink zone as my second picture needs a slight boost in that direction. I have been spending alot of time with my film lenses, I have some short zooms that pull light in and primes that are just right plain IR. I am seaching for the right lens for my 830nm I use for black and white. Everything else is go, even my ability to focus. Hee hee I do forget at my age, I know that.
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I have 4 gigs of memory, mid-2011 model imac 27" and 20" screens, i7 processor. I would think thats enough to run my 65 inches. It was saved but not cropped, I was working on one corner to get as much size and cloning a hill side and went in to finish it off. It could be the editing putting some kind of error in the picture. Also didn't take that long to flatten and save to file, about 10, 15 minutes. Thanks all for your imput as I will be a better assembler when at the start. Out of the 9 pictures I could have left maybe 4 out. Photomerge has always done a very good job, I have never done 3 pics and 3 more then put those together. What ever it takes, I do wonder what these new or even the older 22 and 32 mega pix cameras do at it. Maybe that is where the increase in memory comes about.
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4 Gb memory is not a lot these days - I found my circa 2011 iMac was getting very slow when editing images - then the power source just died on me - thanks god for backups! Now have a new iMac with 12 or 16 gb memory and new faster processor - cant remember exactly what it is but it's much better when I am editing
Thanks so much for your reply, i know you do very good landscapes. I looked on my info and I have 8 gigs also an i7 processor, the fastest at the time, last time I looked they only had the 7 online and that is where I go. It has been awhile we passed on the sight, very happy,, I also foound out that DigitalScape had the best part of a two way fix for my pano's and that is use PSB when saving my group all panooood out. Also part two is I am better off to take only 3 or 4 pictures to use. My picture looks more like it looks instead of pushed together. That is the way I shoot, a slight twist, I need to walk sideways I guess. Hope your new machine gives you good performance......
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