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Old 26-02-2008, 20:59   #1 (permalink)
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Question P-series adaptor.

Not to sure about this but have got a P-series WA adaptor 77mm for my wide angle lens but it only holds 1 filter, can you get one the same size [77mm] that would hold more filters?
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Old 26-02-2008, 21:34   #2 (permalink)
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Re: P-series adaptor.

The adapter doesn't hold the filters, you put a filter holder on the adapter
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Re: P-series adaptor.

not as far as I'm aware.

The only difference between the normal and wide angle filter holders is it's "depth". i.e. the number of filters it can hold. they have the exact same width and height.

neway, you can't stack cokins without colour casts so why bother?

Also, you still can't use the wa filter holder @ < 12mm At least with the sigma 10-20. Might be different for your Tokina
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Re: P-series adaptor.

as above, yoou just pull the ring out and fit the multi filter adapter. That 77 on an L17-40 by any chance?

Don't get ripped off! Places like T4 cameras are firing these things out very cheap, its where I tend to get my filters from now.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

You might find that the filter holder only has one filter slot to prevent vignetting. The normal filter holders are quite deep.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

the vignetting only really comes in at the wide angles of the lens though, if its a 70-300 there should be no problem
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Re: P-series adaptor.

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the vignetting only really comes in at the wide angles of the lens though, if its a 70-300 there should be no problem
In his post he is referring to a wide angle lens.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

oops so he did! Sorry Mind, topgear make some nice films with vignetting
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Re: P-series adaptor.

Yep, it's the thickness of the (standard) holder that causes vignetting, unless you turn it through 180 degrees which makes graduated filters a bit of a problem.

I cut down a standard P-series holder to leave just a single filter slot - any thicker and it was no good on the super-wide lenses.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

Simpbow, your filter holder/adapter can be separated - you may have received them joined together + not realised that they are two separate pieces :

The adapter ring screws onto your lens - you get these in all sizes to fit any lens. To make full use of your Cokin filter system, you should get an adapter for each different sized lens you own (they cost less than a fiver). You can also fit the adapter onto a screw-in type filter already fitted to a lens, so you CAN have more than one filter at a time even with the WA holder

The holder slides onto the adapter, so that you can move it from lens to lens, if your lenses each have an adapter ring fitted.

The single holder is best for ultrawide angle lenses (e.g. your Tokina 12-24mm) to avoid vignetting, although you could fit a standard holder (which holds 3 filters) onto a wide angle lens if you wanted to, but beware of vignetting. If you really need to use more than one filter at a time on your 12-24mm lens, then I believe you could get a bigger holder - the next size up from the P Series - but you'd have to buy the bigger filters to fit it. See the Cokin website for more info.

If I want to use my Cokin filter system with my Sigma 10-20, I first remove the UV which I keep on (all my lenses) as standard, because it's the least needed filter in most situations. I fit the screw-in type polarizer filter onto the lens. Then fit the Cokin adapter (I think my adapters are actually Kood) onto the polarizer + slide the Cokin filter holder onto the adapter, ready to receive ND grad filter. Bob's your uncle Have to say I do get a bit of vignetting at the 10mm end, but I simply adjust the zoom 'til the vignetting's gone (as OP says, that probably takes it back to about the 12mm mark).

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Old 27-02-2008, 00:46   #12 (permalink)
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Re: P-series adaptor.

If you fit the Cokin w/a holder (or a cut-down standard one) straight onto the lens, a Cokin polariser will fit into it along with one other filter without any vignetting at 10 mm.

This is my modified one. I think the w/a version is similar.

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Re: P-series adaptor.

Sorry about delay, wrote reply 5 minutes ago & was just about to post it & got cut off so I'll try again, thanx guys for your help on that am a lot clearer now to what i can do, know what you mean Charlotte about vignetting i get it around 14mm mark, i understand now to what you are saying & what to do especially with the WA, I've got different size rings for each lens a set of ND filters & polarizer & was doing the same as yourself but wasn't to sure if i could add any more filters to the WA,just being to greedy thanx for your help.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

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If you fit the Cokin w/a holder (or a cut-down standard one) straight onto the lens, a Cokin polariser will fit into it along with one other filter without any vignetting at 10 mm.

How? Where? The WA holder only holds one filter. Doesn't it?

(Have to admit I've hardly used mine )
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Re: P-series adaptor.

Cheers Silky thats a good one,nice tip, you could make a few quid from that design. Sorry guys i keep being cut off.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

Charlotte - If you look at the piccy, the slot nearest the front (or the top on the photo) is for standard rectangular Cokin/Kood filters. Then there's a thinner slot at the back for the Cokin polariser which is circular and has a thin knurled surround that fits into that slot. The rear slot on a Cokin holder is designed for the polariser - it won't accept a rectangular filter.

simbow - Cheers! I did that before the w/a version was available, and I don't have that to compare.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

Ah, thanks for that info Silky, I didn't know that about Cokin polarizers, I might just have to get one then
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Didnt know that myself either, cheers Silky & Charlotte.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

I'm not sure if the Cokin polariser is the finest quality, but it does work. I try to avoid using filters, but the ND-grads can be useful and they need to be the Cokin type.

It's up to you of course, but I wouldn't combine an ND-grad with anything else, including a polariser. If I were being controversial , I say that polarisers are overrated. If you want to deepen a blue sky, you can do that in PP more evenly and consistently than by using a PL. The main virtue of PLs is to eliminate reflections, but unless you want to see what's at the bottom of the pond they may not be necessary.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

On 2nd thoughts, I do prefer a screw-in type polarizer, so that I can rotate it (although that's quite tricky to do if you have a Cokin filter holder on the outside of it).

Polarizers are overrated Silky? I think they're invaluable, especially in bright sunlight when there's shiny foliage in the shot, a polarizer can make all the difference in avoiding flare + blown highlights on leaves or any flat, shiny surfaces. They also do help with contrast + saturated colours (not just skies) which is always best to achieve in-camera rather than on PC if at all possible.
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Re: P-series adaptor.

Each to his/her own.

You can rotate the Cokin polariser when it's in the holder.
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You can rotate the Cokin polariser when it's in the holder.
Good to know, thanks for clarifying that
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Re: P-series adaptor.

Yep, cheers for the info Silky & Charlotte. Haven't tried this yet but before i would do anything stupid does the Hoya Polariser fit & turn in the holder to?
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I would say 'no' simpbow, but you could always try
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Cheers Charlotte don't want to mess anything up.
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