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Old 10-01-2007, 18:05   #1 (permalink)
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Photographing People

I want to develop photographing people. I don't really like doing pre-set pose situation as they usually end up looking staged (which of course they are).

I've seen lots of photographers do candid shots and it's the method I'd prefer tho having trouble. How do you go about taking candid shot without looking like a stalker?

Just curious how others go about taking candid shots of people?

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Old 10-01-2007, 18:52   #2 (permalink)
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not my favourite type of phtography, but when im doing it i just walk about and make sure people dont "see" me looking for a shot then take it when they are not paying u any attention.

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Old 10-01-2007, 19:25   #3 (permalink)
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heres some i took in london a while ago...i think they're not too bad...and you get much more natural expressions etc.




if you have a normal digicam and not a dslr it is much easier as you can nonchalantly sit there with the camera on your lap and just shoot away whereas you have to have the camera up to your eye with an SLR...it's much easier in a busier place or somewhere where you can just hide in a dark corner and snap away without anyone noticing or you can sit in a car with tinted windows...etc. you just need to build up confidence...because unless the person gets really offended, which is unlikely, you are probably never going to see them again...so go for it!
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I love taking candid shots of people and you'll find a few examples in my gallery. I recommend a good zoom lens so you don't have to get too close. On some occasions, it's going to be obvious what you are doing, so try to be as discreet as possible but as Xanda says, be confident. Act like you belong there doing what it is you're doing and no-one will take too much notice.
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Old 10-01-2007, 21:42   #5 (permalink)
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There are all manner of little tricks that you can use to distract people from what you are doing. Definitely having a decent zoom as Angela said is most valuable so you can be out of noticeable view taking pictures.

If I am out in a street and want to take a picture of a person who looks interesting, I have been known to simply stand a few yards in front of them, look just over their shoulder to an imaginary person beyond and mouth and motion 'Go back a bit further' and then snap away. The person you want to capture just assumes you are shooting someone else and you get your picture

An angle finder is very useful as you can loom down into the eyepiece of an SLR. People tend to assume if your camera is not up to your eye then they are 'safe'. Of course if you have a good wide lens on, you can just roughly point and shoot knowing they will be in the frame.

Candids come in all shapes and sizes and eye contact is not always necessary to have a powerful image. Side and even occasionally back views can be most intriguing.

I have a Camfis waistcoat that is designed for cameramen and fishermen (hence the name) and it has a proper embroidered badge in large letters saying 'Official Photographer'. When people see that it is amazing how obliging they become! They think you might be taking pictures of important people or maybe you want pictures for a newspaper or magazine so they let you get on with it. I have even been known (naughty this!) to have a BBC logo in a badge right next to the patch which always works. People love the idea of getting on the telly!

Note, I do not go up to people and lie. I simply wear these things and let them make their own assumptions :o) If asked I will usually say my pictures are potentially available for print which of course they are!

Candid shots still need to tell some kind of a story in my opinion. Simply grabbing snapshots of people as they wonder about rarely pulls out a truly interesting image, those that do are usually by accident LOL. So go on, have a play, be a little bit cheeky but harmless and you'll have a field day

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Go to events where lots of people have camera's & that way you won't stand out from the crowd, or alternatively choose tourist spots, as there will also be lots of peole with cameras there. This shoudl help build up your confidence & technique moving forward
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Old 11-01-2007, 21:29   #7 (permalink)
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Hi Ryan,
I love candid shots.
Try this link
martinwilmottphotography // LifeStyle Photographer
This Photographer has inspired me so much, check out his virtual portrait album, he also has a section with tips and a biog on how he goes about setting up (to get the non set up look. its one of the tips he will send you [and it's free]).
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Old 12-01-2007, 15:17   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Photographing People

Thanks for all the advice/tips people. I already bought myself an additional zoom lens, which I have tried using. Think it prob is a confidence thing to tho. When I'm trying to take candid shocks I'm concious of the people watching me.
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Old 12-01-2007, 18:52   #9 (permalink)
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Some time ago, I was sitting in a restaurant and a kid suddenly took my picture.

I was quite taken aback, and felt that I was intruded upon and in a sense, violated.

So yes, candid shots are nice, but several things must be said.

First, at least in the US, one has to be very careful about publishing or selling shots without the permission of the subject.

Secondly, it is better perhaps to engage the subject, talk to them, get their confidence, make them feel at ease, then ask to take a photo. Then you can pose or not, and shoot as you want, and come off with some great images.

If you are ill at ease walking up to someone and striking up a conversation, as I was, you would be suprised how easy it is with a camera in your hand. Of course it never hurts to have an officlal badge either

I have done images both ways, and how I do it depends on the situation, but I always feel a bit like a thief when sneaking a candid.



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Old 12-01-2007, 19:13   #10 (permalink)
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but I always feel a bit like a thief when sneaking a candid.skip
I know exactly what you mean Skip. There is a very thin line between an acceptable candid photograph, and an intrusion. It is one thing to take a photograph in a busy public place, even a close-up, and quite another to 'sneak' a shot of someone when they think they are in their own space.

I think the photographer ought to know where the line is drawn when trying to get the photograph. If you are using any kind of tactic to avoid the subject realising that they are your 'prey', the amber 'caution'light shoud be on. When you get to the stage of using 'special forces' techniques to avoid being detected, you are well into the red.
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Skip I refer to your comments in the thread [is it possible to go too far] they do not appear consistent with your views expressed in this one.
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Old 12-01-2007, 21:52   #12 (permalink)
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My only consistancy is inconsistancy.

I think that zeroing in on unsuspecting people for a candid shot is different than shooting a disaster, accident, crime scene, etc. And as I said, a lot depends on the situation.

All is not black and white here, and the photographer, in the end, has to do what he or she feels is right. I think that this thought came out strongly in the other thread.

I am not sure that I am expressing my thoughts well here. Rob???? Are you there?

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I am not sure that I am expressing my thoughts well here. Rob???? Are you there?
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Not sure if it is the same Skip, but I'm here, and yes, you are expressing yourself well. You have said pretty much the same as me in different words. It comes down to the individual. The trickey bit is the grey area in between what is OK and what is not. At the end of the day, it is a judgment we must all make at the time.

I've seen some photographs that are enchanting and some that make me cringe. happily, the former are in the majority.
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So it is ok to zero in and take a candid shot of someone in a traumatic situation but not in a cafe!
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That is not exactly what anyone here is saying. First of all, it depends on the situation.

Secondly, a tight framing of a persons face, whether she is having a cup of coffee or shot in the abdomen, is an intensely personal and at times intrusive thing. It is different than a long shot of a tragic scene, even if there are recognizable individuals there.

So, once again, for closure, I hope, it depends on the situation and the humanity of the photographer.

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I love candid shots.
Try this link
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This Photographer has inspired me so much, check out his virtual portrait album, he also has a section with tips and a biog on how he goes about setting up (to get the non set up look. its one of the tips he will send you [and it's free]).
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I wondered where a sudden upsurge of interest to my site had come from then i followed a link back to this site only to find your comments.

I am honoured and thank you for your kind words. i'm always happy to help any photographers.

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I agree with Skip here. There is a line. Personally, if I realised my photograph had been taken without my consent I would not be happy about it. I'd also be very verbal about my feelings on the matter.

If you want to practice candid shots - start with a family function. I take candids of my family at every function - they know I'm doing it and (with the exception of 2 very camera shy relatives) have no problem with it.
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It's interesting reading these different viewpoints about candid shots. I fall into the category which says if they don't know anyway then it really doesn't matter. They are simply anonymous faces who mean nothing to anyone. Obviously I am not talking about taking candid shots and then publishing posters that sell in WH Smiths without the person concerned ever realising their fizzog is plastered across the back of a thousand bathroom doors!

But if you want a precedent for some of the most enthralling candid photograhy, look at the master himself: Henri Cartier-Bresson. He would go out to all sorts of events and never take a single shot of the event itself. Instead he would capture the event by taking candid shots of the people watching, the bored child at a 'grown-up' event, the father with children wanting to forget the carnival and go and play on the swings in the local park, the faces of mothers anxiously trying to keep an eye on how far their children have gone, the student with his head in a novel entirely oblivious to the marching band 3 feet from his left ear....

We are moving into a world where people get upset over all sorts of things that we all used to call harmless. It is a sad indictment on the modern world which we have created where we all know what we think but we all say what we think others want to hear and in fact we both nod yet inside our heads we are screaming 'NO!'

If someone wants to take my photo then I couldn't give a monkey's. It is not going to hurt me, I am sure the picture will not be of anything more than a passing interest to others anyway and I remain nothing more than an anonymous set of features that someone chose to include in their picture. Should I be angered or flattered? To be honest I think the answer is neither. I have not been selected to record on film because they want to do me harm nor because I have anything remarkable about me worth capturing. I am just the person who was there, doing something they thought would look good if they could capture me at just the right moment, maybe yawning when my wife is talking to me or something. It doesn't matter that I was engrossed in what she was saying but I had been up since 4 in the morning, the picture captured tells a humourous story and that's all they wanted. Fine!

Candid photography has no dark motive, it is simply seeking to capture people in their natural manner rather than looking artificial because they were told when to say cheese! Of course the photographer has to be sensitive to other people, that is not about candid photography, that is about ALL photography and ALL else we do in our lives! If someone has said they would rather we don't take their picture, we MUST politely thank them for making their wishes known and assure them we will not intrude on their privacy. But I see no reason to get angry or upset unless it is because the photographer is being insensitive and discourteous, is crossing family boundaries, etc. Few parents today want anyone capturing their 3 year old girl on the beach in her swimming costume. Innocent though it almost always is, people have fears because of the evil that is paedophilia and those concerns must be respected, not scorned. A simple 'Excuse me sir/madam, your daughter has a most charming smile, would you mind if I quietly take a couple of photos when she is not aware? I would be delighted to show you all the pictures I take and to give you a copy of any that you would like.' It has worked for me 99% of the time and the other 1% I have thanked them anyway and left them to their own devices.... there is always another cute smile to be found!

Well, that's what I think anyway

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First, at least in the US, one has to be very careful about publishing or selling shots without the permission of the subject.
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To publish the work, you don't need to worry about permission of the subject. If you're trying to make a sale, then yes you'll need to have a model release.

To the OP;
I've spent some time in the candid world and even created two of the largest candid photography forums on the net. In my 20+ years of shooting candids, the one thing I can and will say is never be afraid of doing it. If you are, people will pick up on your feelings and associate them with you doing something bad. I also suggest you get to the scene and act as if you belong there, if you act as if you do, no one will question you.

Taking the photos is easy, being approached by the subject is a completely different subject lol.
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I'm glad I started this thread, but never thought it would cause this much debate...lol. I totally agree with Rob's last comment and I couldn't have said it any better.
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