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Old 12-06-2014, 16:51   #1 (permalink)
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Poppies and Lightroom3

Hi,

Coming back to the camera after a little break/ time out.

The poppies out in my front border proved irresistible this morning, with the morning sun catching them.

Unusually for the camera (D200) the effect has not come up on the screen. I took in raw.....where do I start with LR 3.6 to get that morning sun effect back again? Have to say I'm surprised that camera doesn't normally put a foot wrong (or maybe it's me?).

Can any one help please?





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Old 12-06-2014, 17:17   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Poppies and Lightroom3

This would be easier if you posted what you have got so far. It all starts with the exposure though. Is it too dark or too light?
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Old 12-06-2014, 18:03   #3 (permalink)
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This would be easier if you posted what you have got so far. It all starts with the exposure though. Is it too dark or too light?

I thought that might be the case.

Can you remind me max pixel's for this?

Exposure is alright it just doesn't seem to have picked up the glow in the flower petals which caught me eye. i.e. the morning sun shining though the flower.
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Re: Poppies and Lightroom3

Sounds like a little dust on the old shutter button. It helps to slow the excitement, I personally think everybody makes that mistake even after years of shooting. The mental check list for different pictures will get you everytime. If it was as easy as it sounds here, you would have nailed it. Next time breath first and don't trip in the sun light.
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I thought that might be the case.

Can you remind me max pixel's for this?

Exposure is alright it just doesn't seem to have picked up the glow in the flower petals which caught me eye. i.e. the morning sun shining though the flower.
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that's the origional

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Re: Poppies and Lightroom3

[IMG][/IMG]That's with a bit of tweaking

I used a combo of back on exposure and also on brightness I think.

Any advances?
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Re: Poppies and Lightroom3

I ve not quite picked the right images obvioiuslty but it was at th e same time.

I'm genuinely intersted in knowing how I could have got that morning sun look better.

Those have used LR more than me?
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Re: Poppies and Lightroom3

Your first image looks over exposed to me. I would have exposed for just the poppy by metering that or if there was some grass nearby which was in full sun, used that to take a meter reading. Having determined the exposure value I would have set it manually.

Even so this high contrast scene is challenging anyway so exposure is critical.
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Re: Poppies and Lightroom3

Only had a look at this on my laptop so was holding back, but I thought it is overexposed too. LR is not really the answer here.

You could try bracketing to give you more options - including HDR - or using a diffuser to soften the light and reduce the contrast.
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Re: Poppies and Lightroom3

Agree with the remarks so far. The contrast is too high and you have overexposed the highlights. Use the histogram to get the best exposure, and expose to the right. That is do not allow the exposure to lose detail by letting highlights slip beyond the right of the histogram. Get everything at the bright end of the luminance scale on the histogram. This is your first objective.

On a D200 the noise might be difficult to control but in ISO terms you should get less contrast with higher ISO, so maybe up the ISO to 400, instead of the ISO 100 you used here. Finally, in post processing, get the histogram to spread as best as possible from left to right, and hopefully you will get something. As Dave said this is not an easy subject contrast-wise but there is room to get a better result.
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Re: Poppies and Lightroom3

Right, a fair bit to work on here and a lot of new ideas to go at.

Thanks very much for all the notes.
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David, Your camera has read the exposure for the BG and the reading seems to be correct. However this has led to the flowers being very much over exposed with the highlights being completely burnt out. if this is the case it means there is no detail in the highlights therefore there is nothing to recover so there is really nothing you can do about it LR is good at recovering detail in highlights but can't recover what is not there.
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To put the "morning sun" back you need to adjust the colour temperature to make the image warmer


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David, Your camera has read the exposure for the BG and the reading seems to be correct. However this has led to the flowers being very much over exposed with the highlights being completely burnt out. if this is the case it means there is no detail in the highlights therefore there is nothing to recover so there is really nothing you can do about it LR is good at recovering detail in highlights but can't recover what is not there.
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Which comes back to what Dave C was saying about taking an exposure reading directly off the poppy or a bit of grass. So I guess I can use the lock button for that? Also use the "6%" menu setting to pin point the area I want to meter?

I did shoot a few off this morning, I did seem lot better looking quickly at the screen. I'll get them on the comp later and see what we've got.

Lesson learned I guess........
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Good point, I guess the thing to do is not loose the info in the first place but thanks for the idea......
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Which comes back to what Dave C was saying about taking an exposure reading directly off the poppy or a bit of grass. So I guess I can use the lock button for that?
Easier to note the settings and then use manual mode to take the pictures using the settings you got. Otherwise by holding the button down to lock the exposure you will have to manually focus the camera.

Spot metering from the poppy will mean just taking the picture provided you are either only going to just shoot the picture you see in the viewfinder or re-compose without moving your position.
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