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Old 11-04-2011, 09:37   #1 (permalink)
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I have never had any real problems when setting up my printer to match the pictures that my monitor shows, I have always been happy with the results I get from my Epson Printer (R2400).....however last night I changed the printer setting from Epson Standard to Adobe RGB, and the latter gave a much more pleasing result but somewhere along the lines I have always beent told not to use Adobe RGB and to leave it on the printers standard setting, I use Photoshop for all my pictures requirements....is there anybody out there that can further my findings?
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I use Abobe RGB for my camera and my printer and it is the default colour space in CS3. I've never allowed the printer to control the process - especially if I have spent time editing.

From what I've read, Adobe RGB has a wider gamut that is advantageous for printing.
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Old 11-04-2011, 13:03   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for your answer, I have just changed my camera settings to Adobe RGB as well! so the next time I go out I will see if there is much difference in the new settings......
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Adobe RGB is an RGB colour space which defines the image file values on the CIE 1931 xy chromaticity diagram. The sensor in your camera captures RGB colours and the manufacturer knows how these can be represented in a known colour space. If you use JPEG, then this conversion is made in the camera and the relevent colour tag Adobe RGB or sRGB is then attached. If you output Raw files and process in Adobe Raw then this software carries out that conversion to the colour space you choose. I use Raw so the camera setting is irrelevant but use Adobe RGB as my Photoshop working space and my final output file is Adobe RGB.

When it comes to printing Adobe RGB is not a printer profile and I am not sure what you mean by Adobe standard. For printing you should normally set Photoshop to manage colours and select the relevant printer/paper profile. This results in the known Adobe RGB colours being translated to the CMYK colours for your specific printer inks. For example, you should have a profile for the Epson 2400 with Epson Premium Glossy paper. At the same time you must turn off colour management in the printer driver; Photoshop normally reminds you to do this when you set PS to manage colours.

The two most popular working profiles are Adobe RGB and sRGB and the former is slighty larger so should produce more colours with a suitable printer. I have shown that with a test chart and saturated colours, you can see a clear improvement using Adobe RGB but in reality, it is hard to discern the difference in real images.
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One of my printer settings says Epson Standard, next to that it says Adobe RGB thats what I changed to on my printer, and the print just looked a little better on that setting....on my camera it says sRGB and Adobe RGB sometimes I shoot in raw and other times in jpeg but I now understand more about these settings, Thanks Dave.

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Last week I went to lecture by a chap you used to work for Colour Confidence who make the Colour munki calibrator. He is now a consultant. He said that you should only use sRGB. That is what I have all my equipment set up for and it works very well. Reading the above messages I guess that this will only add some confusion. Probably you just have to find a setting that works for you. One thing he did say was not to use ProPhoto as there is no hardware that supports this.
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When I embed sRGB into a picture for display the web, I see a noticeable difference in the colours on my monitor. Less saturated. Whether that is more accurate or not is a good question. Being a bit colour blind does not help!
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Last week I went to lecture by a chap you used to work for Colour Confidence who make the Colour munki calibrator. He is now a consultant. He said that you should only use sRGB. That is what I have all my equipment set up for and it works very well. Reading the above messages I guess that this will only add some confusion. Probably you just have to find a setting that works for you. One thing he did say was not to use ProPhoto as there is no hardware that supports this.
I have also attended the presentation by Colour Confidence and this rather arrogant speaker did not make sense in some of what he said. Interestingly his Power Point slides are produced by the CC technical staff and I had no problem with what was on the slides but the CC speaker contradicted the slides. It was clear that several of our Club members knew more than he did about colour management. When I challenged him on one point, he went quiet for a moment but could not see how to dig himself out of a hole so changed subject.
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One of my printer settings says Epson Standard, next to that it says Adobe RGB thats what I changed to on my printer, and the print just looked a little better on that setting....on my camera it says sRGB and Adobe RGB sometimes I shoot in raw and other times in jpeg but I now understand more about these settings, Thanks Dave.
I have just looked at the Epson 2400 manual on the web and, for colour, you should go to the Color Management section of the Advanced Window and follow the guidance below:-

ICM: Uses standard color profiles for your printer to help match colors in your image, for use with certain ICM-enabled applications. If you are using custom or Epson Premium ICC profiles in a programme such as Photoshop, select ICM and then check the Off (No Color Adjustment) box.

Once you set No Color Adjustment lots of the option you currently see will rightly disappear. This is on page 32 of the manual. There is also a lot of useful information on colour management from page 53. If you set the recommended No Color Adjustment then you must set Photoshop to Manage Colours and select a suitable printer/paper profile in the photoshop print window.

Your printer also has a special B&W capability. In this case you do the opposite and select the Advanced B&W Photo mode but then in the Photoshop Print window, you choose let the Printer Manage Colour.

Using this arrangement is actually what Epson recommend and will give you the best results for colour and B&W.
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I have also attended the presentation by Colour Confidence and this rather arrogant speaker did not make sense in some of what he said. Interestingly his Power Point slides are produced by the CC technical staff and I had no problem with what was on the slides but the CC speaker contradicted the slides. It was clear that several of our Club members knew more than he did about colour management. When I challenged him on one point, he went quiet for a moment but could not see how to dig himself out of a hole so changed subject.
That sounds like him . I think he was right about ProPhoto though.
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Thanks for all the replies, Dave, I do use the advanced window for my Mono Images!
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