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Old 09-06-2007, 00:18   #1 (permalink)
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Hi All,

Just set up a canon pixma printer and there are a couple of points that I need advice on, I am printing through PS Elements when I print should I set the printer for ADOBE RGB or SRGB, Indeed in elements what should I have the colour profile set to ADOBE RGB or SRGB? also am I right in thinking that the printer resolution should be 300 ppi?

I printed off a couple of pics and through Elements they were darker than on the moniter but printing through windows the prints were pretty much as the moniter.

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Old 09-06-2007, 00:33   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Printing Queries...

Colour space is a can of worms. The general advice is use sRGB for web display and Adobe RGB for printing. In PS you can also set the colour space in the software, but I don't know about Elements. 300 DPI is fine. You might be able to use 240 DPI with little or no noticeable difference.
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Old 09-06-2007, 00:57   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Printing Queries...

Hi Dave,

Would that be the colour profile that you can set in the elements software?
should that also be set to ADOBE RGB or SRGB?

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Re: Printing Queries...

you may also notice that when printing borderless there is a chance it will crop a wee tad off the RHS, i am almost sure there are threads about that on here somewhere. I must go look, Seek and ye shall find!
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:06   #5 (permalink)
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Will also check back through the archives.

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Old 09-06-2007, 01:11   #6 (permalink)
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Colour space is a can of worms.
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The general advice is use sRGB for web display and Adobe RGB for printing.
Disagree Use sRGB for printing, it's closer to the gamut of CYMK which printers use
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Will also check back through the archives.

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i had a look there chap but had no joy, maybe the ones who posted on it before are more capable of tracking it down!

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Well....over the years I have tried every combination possible to get a faithful print. In the end I have found that the best results are from the easy print Software you get with the printer with the camera set to sRGB. It uses the settings embedded in the image and you don't have to bother about colour management in either PS or the printer.

PS I use a Pixma 4300.
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Hi there John, There are very precise methods of setting up the colour profiles.
For what its worth I have adopted the practical approach. What I required was to print and get results as close to the monitor displayed image as possible. For your part when you open the picture in Elements (I have version 5) but its the same for my Adobe 7, your can set the colour space by going to Control Panel and select Adobe Gamma. A panel will be displayed, Check in the Description Box you have sRGB IEC61966-2-1. In the Gamma Box tick "View Single Gamma" and in the Desired Box (Windows Default )should be showing 2.20. If its higher than this then set it to 2.20. If it is lower than this don't change it because increasing the Gamma here will make the displayed image even brighter within the Adobe displayed picture.
Now if your printed picture is darker than the displayed one on your monitor it can be that your monitor is incorrectly setup but I gather from your thread that your monitor is ok for other viewing but not viewing inside the Adobe Elements window? If this is the case you can change the Gamma in the Windows default, try 1.8 if it is 2.20 and save it in the window that appears. This will make the displayed picture darker but you will have to experiment to get as close as possible to your printed brightness.
Now this is not the purest way of going about setting the balance between the displayed and printed image but it has meant in my case that what I see on my monitor is what I get out of my HP 8250 Printer. Every other method recommended by HP failed to give me the match of brightness I required
If you have any questions I'll try to answer them for you.
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Re: Printing Queries...

Stepheno,

I don't know offhand what the camera is set to but at the moment using the pixma 4300 software is giving me prints not to different to the moniter..

Brian,

Will have a crack at your set up later in the day and report on my findings, also on ELEMENTS 5.

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Hi All,

Well after a little trial and error and a packet of printing paper and printing through Elements 5 I think best results were achieved using RGB colour source and printing in RGB,
this set up gave results nearest to the monitor and the actual item photographed..

Any thoughts on the selection of RENDERING INTENT you have a selection off
relative colourimetric
perceptual
saturation
absolute colourimetric

BRIAN,

I can't find the control panel in ELEMENTS 5, or if you mean START, CONTROL PANEL, PRINTER, can't see anything there about gamma.. HELP.

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Well after a little trial and error and a packet of printing paper and printing through Elements 5 I think best results were achieved using RGB colour source and printing in RGB,
this set up gave results nearest to the monitor and the actual item photographed..

Any thoughts on the selection of RENDERING INTENT you have a selection off
relative colourimetric
perceptual
saturation
absolute colourimetric

BRIAN,

I can't find the control panel in ELEMENTS 5, or if you mean START, CONTROL PANEL, PRINTER, can't see anything there about gamma.. HELP.

John
Hi John , The Control Panel is not in Elements its part of Windows. Are you using Windows XP or 98? . Once you open the Control Panel and display it on you Desktop you should find Adobe Gamma after double clicking the Control Panel. To find Control Panel (if your are using XP) ; Click the START icon in the bottom left hand corner of your screen, Run the mouse over the SETTINGS and double click the Control Panel. You should see the Adobe Gamma listed. Double click this and change the settings as described in my other post to you.
Let me know how you get on
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relative colourimetric
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John, if you are only printing for personal use, i.e. where it is not critical that all colours be extremely accurate (e.g. as in advertising), then always use "relative colorimetric"
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Hi Charlotte,

I hope that all is well with you down there in Hampshire, I bet it's a lovely day today.

Thank you for that info, thats another point cleared up.

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