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Old 23-08-2009, 00:27   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all, I am new to the community so big hello from Nova Scotia Canada. I just completed my 4th wedding and I am tickled pink with the results but I have a question regarding saving in jpeg. See the last three weddings I did which ranged from 250-677 photos all fit on a single DVD when I saved the files at the highest level "12". Now my latest wedding I have over 700 photos saved in jpeg with the same highest level "12" but it is about 1.4 GB too large for my 4.4GB DVD disc. I really don't want to have to put them on two different discs. So my question is, does the kb size really matter? Can I save my raw files at a "9" high level instead of "12"? Does this make a difference in printing at all? What is the difference between saving at a 9 and a 12? All my photos are at 240 resolution which I know is necessary but I really don't understand that level when you save it as a jpeg can someone give me some pointers on this? Oh I'm using photoshop as well as Lightroom by the way.

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Old 23-08-2009, 00:55   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Question about saving raws to jpegs and size requirements

Welcome to Pixaol Sandra

I would always save at the highest quality level. I think there are two solutions to your problem. Either use a double sided DVD, or be more ruthless with your editing.

Hopefully some of our members who shoot a lot of weddings will be able to give some advice here too.
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Re: Question about saving raws to jpegs and size requirements

Hello Sandra, also

Saving photo's.... I have opted for a separate drive for all my photo stuff... I keep nothing but photographs on there, all "organized" in separate folders so I know what is where...

If you go for the external USB variety, these can be handy if you wish to "show" your stuff on someone elses computer as well.

You could go for a "Dual Layer" DVD to give you more space on DVD, they are not as expensive as you think these days, I just picked one up for 30:00 quid (Sterling), and the disks are not that much more expensive....


Reducing quality by going for a smaller file size...
I would vote that as a non-option....
I shoot in RAW, as you do, to give me a better file to edit, and store in RAW, in case I ever wish to go back to that file. I would not opt to compress in any way that file, as disk space is cheep....

I have about just over one terabyte file space here, on various drives, and yes, though the initial setup of that filespace in drives was expensive, compared to the number of DVD's and CD's I would need to store all that on, its comparable in price, so not that outlandish as a consideration.....
Do a comparison of a "Spindle" of say 25dvd's against a hard drive, and the hard drive can work out cheaper per gigabyte, as the price of them has shot down recently.

Edit... forgot to add, I have never burnt a "Coaster" transferring info from memory card to hard drive either.....
("Coaster"... the results you get when the burn process fails for some reason, and you get a useless disc..)
I have, however, stored on DVD, the drive used to burn it on broke, replaced with new, and found the new drive didnt recognise the old dvd's.... damn annoying....
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Old 23-08-2009, 11:14   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Question about saving raws to jpegs and size requirements

SD - While not disagreeing with you - I think Sandra is refering to DVD's going to the customer - not for long term storage.
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Re: Question about saving raws to jpegs and size requirements

Hi Sandra and welcome to Pixalo, I dont know if its me and maybe I've not read it right but you say you have 700 photo's saved in jpeg and that comes to 1.4GB and that a DVD holds 4.4GB so I dont understand why you dont have enough room
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Re: Question about saving raws to jpegs and size requirements

I read it as the 700 files being 1.4GB larger than will fit on a DVD.

Three things affect the file size of a JPEG...

1. Dimensions in pixels - e.g. 3000 x 2000 pixels.

2. Degree of compression. You can have lossless JPEGs but mostly they lose some data, and the loss is greater as the compression increases. Often you can't see this until you compress a lot, so it's certainly worth trying a slightly lower quality / higher compression setting.

3. The amount of detail in the photo. Plain backgrounds compress more easily than images with a lot of detail, and that can have a great effect on the file size.

Don't wory too much about "native resolution" expressed as, say, 240 pixels per inch or whatever. That figure is largely irrelevant. What matters is the actual size in pixels.
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Re: Question about saving raws to jpegs and size requirements

ahhh right, I didnt read it like that thanks for that silky
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SD - While not disagreeing with you - I think Sandra is refering to DVD's going to the customer - not for long term storage.
..,. Ahhh... Yes, I see that now....
Just to mention then, the guy that did MY wedding had to put it all on two DVD's...
He took a lot of photo's, and they were all quite good, but what to use for the official album?...
I dont think the customer is going to mind that much if they get two DVD's... if what is on them is of high quality, are they going to mind that there is a lot of it?...
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I dont think the customer is going to mind that much if they get two DVD's... if what is on them is of high quality, are they going to mind that there is a lot of it?...
Me too
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Re: Question about saving raws to jpegs and size requirements

Thanks all! I really don't want to give 2 DVD's because I give one with pictures and a seperate one with their slideshow on it so I'm already giving them two DVD's as it is so I think I will look into that double sided DVD option-can any DVD/CD player/computer read these though? Do you have to have a special burner for them. I didn't really want to save them at a lower level but I didn't realize you could purchase double sided DVD's so off to look for them-hoping they have them for use with printing with my Epson R1900.

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Re: Question about saving raws to jpegs and size requirements

Silky-so some of the larger files I have are 4288*2848 pixels which end up being anywhere between 10,000-15000kb. So you are saying for these larger files I can downsize them to 3000*2000 pixels and they will still be large enough to satisfy my customer?

I just realized that I cant use a double sided DVD cause I use my Epson R1900 printer to print over the front of the DVD's with a personalized image for my customers and I don't want to change that-cant see being able to do that with a double sided DVD unless I'm wrong, I've never used these??

Also to do this I would use the image/image size option to change the pixels to 3000*2000 right then save at highest level again?
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I read it as the 700 files being 1.4GB larger than will fit on a DVD.

Three things affect the file size of a JPEG...

1. Dimensions in pixels - e.g. 3000 x 2000 pixels.

2. Degree of compression. You can have lossless JPEGs but mostly they lose some data, and the loss is greater as the compression increases. Often you can't see this until you compress a lot, so it's certainly worth trying a slightly lower quality / higher compression setting.

3. The amount of detail in the photo. Plain backgrounds compress more easily than images with a lot of detail, and that can have a great effect on the file size.

Don't wory too much about "native resolution" expressed as, say, 240 pixels per inch or whatever. That figure is largely irrelevant. What matters is the actual size in pixels.
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-can any DVD/CD player/computer read these though? Do you have to have a special burner for them.

no "Specialist" equipment required... you just take them out and turn them over to get the other side...

Can I just add a small word of warning to "Burning" though...
That nickname to the process was earned because of the heat generated whilst writing info to the disk... you are using a class one laser product.... you may notice they get a bit "Warm"...???
I would therefore suggest that after "Burning" side one, you may wait a little while for it to cool before you burn side two....

And in answer to another question, no, you cant print on a double sided disk.
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Might I add that if you are going to re size all your images try doing one and make an action that way you can go to File / Automate / Batch, and re size the entire folder without having to do one by one.
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One thing you have not mentioned is are the DVD's intended for viewing only, or will the customers be allowed to print from them?

If they are for viewing only, you can reduce the quality and file size without affecting how they look on a TV or monitor.
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No they will be printing from them, I would only be resizing the largest ones which is maybe 20 which would bring me within the 4.4GB for one DVD. The 20 I"m looking at right now are all between 10,000-15000kb in size or 4288*2848 pixels in size.
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No they will be printing from them, I would only be resizing the largest ones which is maybe 20 which would bring me within the 4.4GB for one DVD. The 20 I"m looking at right now are all between 10,000-15000kb in size or 4288*2848 pixels in size.
This intrigues me. 'Only resizing the largest ones'. Why not make all of the images the same size?

For what it is worth, I was talking to Damien Lovegrove yesterday - well known wedding tog over here (check out his web-sites, portrait and weddings) - and he said that he would shoot maybe 900 shots on a wedding shoot. This would come down to 300 after his first look from which he would show the client 150 and expect to get orders on around 40.
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I agree re editing to have fewer photos on the disc. The B&G are not likely to print all 700 photos but select the best and print those. I would take 800+ photos but just as above would only put about 150-200 on the disc for the b&g.
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