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Old 23-02-2010, 11:00   #1 (permalink)
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I am considering maybe having a go at some wedding photography. I did do my friends last year and although nervous enjoyed it and the results were good (as commented by the bride and groom and family) I have since been asked to do someone else's which I refused at the time as I was a bit nervous to do another. But thinking about it I think I will do another but I understand you need insurance.


What insurance do I need and roughly what ballpark price would I expect to pay ?

Does anyone doing weddings not have insurance or is that crazy ??
 
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No idea about the costs, but it is public liability insurance you need to research. This ought to cover you not only for issues around the actual recording of the wedding, but also if someone (for instance) trips over your carelessly positioned camera bag or if you break something or injure someone accidentally.
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Old 23-02-2010, 13:48   #3 (permalink)
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OK thanks lot for that....
 
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Old 23-02-2010, 22:44   #4 (permalink)
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Hmm so not many wedding photographers on here then
 
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Hi there, not been on for a while, just logged in and seen this, well, i actually got the qualifications in many areas of Photography, but i have been roped into many weddings, each one is different, i must say i never used insurance because they was all word of mouth, and even though i won awards, i still don't do it as a proffesion, what i would say is first of all go and get a few behind you first. insurance would be good if you are going to do many, and at the end of the day, if you are knocking out 2-3 a month it would be a worthwhile step, and these days you need a Website, they vary from very basic, to quite technical one's, using flash etc, i dont know enough about that side of it though, even though i have dabbled with home made websites, and they look ok, its worth using one that does not carry adverts like the freely available one's, if you are qualified in Photography, then that;s a start, if not and you just take good photo's, then i would get more weddings behind you, i would say by the amount i have done, one of the best talents is using your mouth, the worst wedding i ever did, was one where know one listened, they had all been drinking, and it made my job very tough, although in the end i got through it, it was a bit of a nightmare, but most of the time people do behave. if you can control people, then half the job is done, and i would also say, in this day of digital, keep your shots to a minimum, it's so easy to end up with over a thousand images, if you shoot all day long. and i have found using a workflow program helps, ( Adobe Lightroom ) then you can tweak the odd bad image, and another thing comes in andy, and thats lenses, if you have a kit lense, then you might struggle in a darkish church, and at the end of the day, you are being employed by these people, but it's great when you drop off the proofs, i remember i had only just left one bride after dropping off the proofs, i never sit with bride and groom at this point, i prefer to leave them with a video disk, and a bottle of wine, i left the house, and 20 mins later she came on the phone crying, i thought there was something wrong!, she phoned to thank me for doing a beautiful job, that gives you a buzz, and makes it all worth while. so good luck, but there is a lot of prep wor to be done also, meeting the Vicar, meeting the Family, making shure your clear what the couple want from you, i use a check list, and go through it with them when i take them for a pre wedding photo shoot, the reason i do this is, the couple to be get used to me, and vice versa, hope this as been of some use to you, good luck, and let us know how you go on.
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Old 24-02-2010, 21:18   #6 (permalink)
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fujitsu1522 - THANKS a lot for all that invaluable information, I will certainly take on board all you say. Would you mind if I PM you to ask a couple of more questions ?
 
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No probs leave as many questions as you like, will try to help you, if you are really going to take this onboard i really would use insurance, these days you can't do anything without it, maybe you can insure each job, not sure, a quick google might even find you can do your equipment as well, so it might be worthwhile
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With the events in the papers & news last year, insurance cover for when they decide they don't like the shots sounds like a good idea.
Good luck, it's not something I've ever fancied doing, I only snap away at family weddings for myself.
If possible, see if you can shadow an experienced photographer as an assistant for a few weddings and maybe look at some wedding courses, also don't forget to register your business with HMRC & fill in your tax returns.
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With the events in the papers & news last year, insurance cover for when they decide they don't like the shots sounds like a good idea.
Good luck, it's not something I've ever fancied doing, I only snap away at family weddings for myself.
If possible, see if you can shadow an experienced photographer as an assistant for a few weddings and maybe look at some wedding courses, also don't forget to register your business with HMRC & fill in your tax returns.
Thanks, yeah I have found a good company with reasonable prices for insurance. I am already registered as a business have been for a few years now from when I was airbrushing. Just kept the same name "The Crew Designs"
 
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All that's left to say is good luck and rather you than me as I would be way to cowardly to do it.
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Well you are right its not for the faint hearted, I did my friends a few years back (they asked me) and even though they are very close friends there was a lot of people there who I did not know or knew little so I was nervous. I found the hardest part was getting everyone together for the group shots, I am NOT shy so I just rounded them all up but still pretty nerve racking especially if you are not a 'people' person find talking (or yelling) in public hard.

The photos actually turned out well and I was asked by someone else who saw the pics to do their wedding soon after but at that time I refused as I was not thinking of doing any more
 
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I have been asked a couple of times, but unless they plan on cycling the whole time, it's not my thing
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I have been asked a couple of times, but unless they plan on cycling the whole time, it's not my thing
*LOL* Well to be honest for me it will be a means to an end. I will enjoy it but it also means I can spend the time when I am not doing wedding photographing stuff I really enjoy
 
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did my first wedding over 25yrs ago, still doing them and as you said the hardest part is getting all the people together , get the best man to give you a hand have a word with the bride and groom before hand ask them what photos they would like who they want photos off, I'm still nervous when i do one know you always get some one who wants to be awkward, get into the mood off the wedding you will be OK, look before you shoot, things behind the couple , grave stones , some one standing in the way ,, and best off all enjoy your self , you will be OK , as for prices how many photos , what sort off album, photo, or prints , how long will you be there, it all adds up , i did my first one for £25 36 photos in a small album , they thought it was great told there friends ,it just snowballed , i still enjoy doing them ,i dont make a fortune but if they are happy i am
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did my first wedding over 25yrs ago, still doing them and as you said the hardest part is getting all the people together , get the best man to give you a hand have a word with the bride and groom before hand ask them what photos they would like who they want photos off, I'm still nervous when i do one know you always get some one who wants to be awkward, get into the mood off the wedding you will be OK, look before you shoot, things behind the couple , grave stones , some one standing in the way ,, and best off all enjoy your self , you will be OK , as for prices how many photos , what sort off album, photo, or prints , how long will you be there, it all adds up , i did my first one for £25 36 photos in a small album , they thought it was great told there friends ,it just snowballed , i still enjoy doing them ,i dont make a fortune but if they are happy i am
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You see that's why these forums are worth their weight in gold, you get excellent advice from the people who know.. the 'pro's who have been in the trade for years.

Thanks a lot I appreciate it and I will take on board all your advice
 
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This is a lengthy letter; I apologize for this and the amount of time that it may take to read it…

Although I can not provide you with much information in regards to your enquiry about Public Liability insurance, I thought that I would provide you with a few ideas in relation to Wedding Photography…

I have photographed weddings in the past and actually quiet enjoyed the experience although there are a few things that you may wish to consider when considering becoming a Wedding Photographer….

Sure, photographing Weddings can be exciting, however; they can also be stressful at least until you get more confident. I will explain a few tips in point form and a list of shots to consider – also think about photographing as if you are trying to fill a Wedding album, more on this later.

1). You need to meet with the Bride and Groom prior to the big day and discuss their needs in regards to the Wedding Photography. Do they need you to photograph in a particular style – some people may want all photos set up, others like a photo journalist style and others may wish for a combination of both.

2). You should have an indication as to the type of couple they are at this meeting – are they romantic, funny, touchy feely etc?

3). Show them some photographs that you have taken, better still you could offer to take a few free Engagement photographs in a park (for example) and give them one free small photograph as a free gift. Then give them all of these shots on CD after they sign the Wedding Contract.

4). Make the Bride and Groom comfortable with a little small talk then ask them how you can help them and explain how your photography may be different to some other photographers.

5). You need to find out about the number of people in the Bridal Party, things like parents and relatives. It is very important to find out about relatives that are deceased so as you do not embarrass family members (or yourself) by calling out for the father of the Bride – if he passed away a few years ago.

6). Also, find out about Divorced parents or relatives as some will not want to be photographed with each other. Find out who is partnered with whom in the bridal party etc. Do any family members have specific requests for a particular photograph?

7). Discuss specific ideas that the Bride and Groom have for their photography. For example, do they want a photograph of themselves walking in a field – ask them to organize locations if the request is a little out there.

8). Consider the amount of time available for the Wedding Photography and the amount of available light at that time of Day / Night.

9). You definitely need a Wedding Contract – this will cover things like your expectation of the Bride and Groom on their big day, your role as a photographer etc and perhaps some information about liability / non liability in the event of damaged equipment, the possibility of photos not working out, bad weather, a cancellation policy etc. This is a legal document so you may need to investigate this further?

10). Ask the Bride and Groom to review the Wedding Contract and then sign the dotted line… If they sign the dotted line, give them the disk of Engagement photographs.

Before Wedding Day…

Obviously you need to know how all of your equipment works, this is a given. Here are a few more things to remember…

1. Be certain to charge up your camera battery.

2. Make sure that you have fresh batteries for your flash.

3. Clean lenses, your camera body / bodies and digital sensor(s).

4. Check that you have your tripod, tripod base plate and preferably a spare camera body with lens.

5. Take a few filters.

6. Store an umbrella or other wet weather gear in your vehicle.

7. Take a few props like a blanket, picnic basket, wine glasses and a bottle of wine.

8. You will need to take reflectors and other equipment that you may not always be carrying around in your camera bag.

9. Be certain to have an assistant on the big day…

On the wedding Day At the Brides home...

1. Visit the Brides home or location where the bride will be preparing for her big day. I would be there at least 1 – 1.5 hours before she is scheduled to leave this location for the church…

2. Remember that you may be on a tight time frame depending upon how late the Bride is running while preparing for her big day. You need to remember that you are there to take photographs and that you need results – it is possible to achieve this with some good communication and encouragement. This is where your assistant or the Matron of Honour can assist with organizing brides maids, family members etc.

3. You need to find a few suitable locations for your photography, look for areas that have reasonably even lighting that is not to contrasty.

NOTE: I will set this scenario for a Bride with both parents that are living together. Please stick with me on this…

Also, remember to use your assistant to hold reflectors, fix stray hairs, move people from the background, keep an eye on your equipment etc…

4. Take a few photographs of the bride having her hair styled and makeup applied – generally the Bride will be wearing a dressing gown or some other informal clothing.

5. Take a few shots of the bride in her Wedding gown standing in front of a mirror pretending to, or; applying makeup. You could take this photograph with the Matron of Honour present as well, if you wish.

6. You could lay the bride on a bed and have her flowers placed in front of her for a few photographs. I generally shoot a wide shot, often followed by a portrait photo as this will provide the bride and groom with at least two options.

7. Move all of the Brides maids into the shot with flowers, and repeat the wide and close-up shots.

8. Take a few variations of this shot, perhaps you could take a few shots with the Brides veil covering her face and not covering her face. You could ask someone to hold the back of her dress up and use it as a background for the photograph?

9. You could take a photograph of the bride and her parents indoors here, I would take the shot of the three people as a sort of close up. Then move dad out of the shot and take a close up of mum and the bride, then move mum out of the way and repeat the process with dad.

10. Perhaps move to another location now – maybe outdoors..

11. Take a shot of the bride with all of her immediate family if the location is suited to the occasion – if not you can leave this shot for the church or a park later.

12. Take a few full length and close up shots of the bride – a different variety of locations.

13. Take individual shots of all Brides maids – this is one of the areas where thinking about the lay out of the Wedding Album will need to be considered.

NOTE: When taking these shots have the first person rotate their body a little toward the left – take the shot (with flowers). With the second person, have them rotate their shoulders slightly to the right then continue the left, right thing until all members of the bridal party have been taken.

14. You may wish to consider taking a photograph of Mum and Dad together and then an individual photograph of each. Remember to use the left, right system…

15. Take a shot of the Bride and her Brides Maids outside – Full length and close up. A little more variety here…

16. Take a shot of the Bride leaving the home and getting into the car.

NOTE: It is not always necessary for the photographer to photograph the Groom and his Groomsmen and family prior to the ceremony as this can be completed either before the ceremony or, on most occasions is completed after the ceremony – outside the church, in a park or at another location.

At the Church…

Prior to the Bride arriving you need to speak with the Priest, clergyman or other person officiating the ceremony as some of these people have very strict rules in regard to when you take photographs, where etc. Don’t break the rules as these people can get a little upset with you…

1. As mentioned earlier, you could photograph the Groom and his Groomsmen, parents etc prior to the Bride arriving – only if time permits.

2. Scout around for a possible location for family photographs.

3. Take a shot of the Bride in the Wedding Car with her father or other person / people that she has arrived at the church with.

4. Take a shot of the Bride and her father from outside the church at the entrance to the church – from behind.

5. Take a shot from within the church looking out toward the front of the church where the Bride and her father (or other person) are standing. Note: you may need to use flash here…

6. On most occasions I now switch to flash and generally shoot at an aperture and shutter speed that works for me, this is if there is not sufficient ambient light available.

7. As the music starts, take a few shots of the Bride and her father (or other person) walking down the aisle remembering to take particular note of the bride passing important people lie her mother, grand parents, the Grooms parents etc. Do Not overdo the number of photos taken here as you may become distracting to the Wedding guests.

8. Be certain to ascertain a correct light reading for the front of the church. In the days of film I used to use my trusty Minolta IVF light / flash meter. This could be done now, however; on most occasions it is completed when you are talking with the priest etc prior to the Wedding Service.

9. Ok, now its time to turn the flash off and take a few ambient photographs – use a tripod and cable release if there is not enough ambient light available.

10. Take a shot of the Bride and Groom standing while guests are seated.

11. If the Bride and Groom are seated, take a wide angle shot of the happy couple and at least one close up shot of each.

12. Take a full length shot of the Bride and Groom exchanging rings, followed by a closer shot (be certain to include the actual exchange of rings) if possible.

13. Take a shot of the Bride and Groom kissing as per step 11 above.

14. When the Bride and groom go to sign the Marriage Certificate be certain to allow other people to take photographs. Do not set this shot up yet, just allow family members to do their thing…

15. When you are ready, set up a fake signing the wedding Certificate shot (head and shoulders), make certain that you carry a good quality gold or silver pen in your pocket as this will look a little more professional than a plastic pen.

16. Back to using flash if there is not sufficient ambient light available… Take shots as the Bride and Groom holding hands while they are walking up the aisle heading toward the church exit – while they are being greeted by family and friends.

17. You may wish to take a shot of the Bride and Groom from behind, just before they walk outside.

18. Take a shot of the Bride and Groom before they walk out of the Church – (from outside the church).

19. Take shots of wedding guests throwing confetti. Be aware that confetti is not allowed at all churches, although this is not your responsibility it should be considered by the Bride and groom prior to their wedding day.

20. This is where you need to move the Bride and groom toward the location that you have chosen for family photographs. Ask the Matron of Honour and Best Man to assist with locating people as generally, they seem to know almost all family members.

NOTE: This process needs to be completed fairly fast as you will need to move to another photography location.

21. Firstly, get the Groom and his family together. If you did not have time to photograph the Groom and his family earlier, use this opportunity to do it now. Take a full length shot of the Groom with his parents, and then take a close up.

22. Take individual shots of the grooms parents. Remember to use the left and right system mentioned earlier.

23. Now, move the Bride into the shot next to her husband and repeat this process. Wide and Close ups.

24. Move the immediate family of the Groom into a shot with the Groom. Move the Bride out of this shot and take wide and then close up shots if space allows this.

25. This time move the bride into the shot next to her husband and repeat the shots.

26. If there are any Grand Parents, favourite Aunts etc at the Wedding, take shots of them using the same scenario mentioned earlier. Don’t forget the individual shots here – remember the left right system.

27. Repeat this entire process with the Brides family, Grand Parent etc.


After the Church Service…

1. Remember that you are on a strict time schedule to have the Bride and Groom arrive at the Wedding reception venue on time. Ask the Best man or other person to get everyone into the cars so you can leave.

2. At the location – poses are difficult to explain here, so please consider this shot list as you will need to research the style / type of photography you will use on the day.

3. Take individual photographs of the Bride, Groom, Groomsmen and Brides Maids. Don’t forget that you may not have had an opportunity to do this with the Groom and Groomsmen earlier. This will also provide a little more variety for a Wedding Album…

4. Take a few group shots of the Wedding Party. Perhaps you could take some of the Wedding Party walking toward the camera, or; with the Bride and Groom standing in front of the Wedding Part using a narrow Depth of field. Take at least three or four different group shots as this will once again provide variety.

5. Allow the rest of the wedding Party to have a few casual drinks while you take photographs of the Bride and Groom. NOTE: Don’t allow the Wedding Party members to drink too much as they need to be in a fair condition for the reception.

6. Take full length and close up shots of the Bride and Groom – Walking together, talking, kissing, romantic shots, fun shots etc. I would take at least eight or ten different varieties.

7. Perhaps you could take a few more individual shots of the Bride and groom – use the left, right system.

8. You may need to change locations and repeat a simular process to that mentioned above, or’ alternatively you could just take less shots at each location.

9. Remember: Allow sufficient time to travel to the Reception venue…

At the Reception Venue:

1. Photographers rarely stay at a reception venue for the entire evening, actually often shots are set up and the photographer leaves early.

2. Take shots of the Bride and groom outside the reception venue if the surrounding area is photogenic.

3. Take shots of the Bride, Groom and other wedding Party members relaxing before entering the reception hall.

4. Possibly use the flash for these shots… Take shots as each Wedding Party member(s) enter the reception area.

5. Take a shot of the Wedding Party seated at the Bridal table.

6. Allow the Bride and Groom a little time to have a quick drink and perhaps something small to eat.

7. Ask the Bride and Groom to participate in a ‘fake’ cutting of the cake shot.

8. Take shots of wedding Guests etc…

9. Say goodbye to the Bride and Groom, wish them a great nite, and pack up your equipment and leave.

Well I guess that just about sums it up from my perspective; I realize that there are a lot of different ideas in regards to photographing weddings. This just happens to work for me…

Once again, thanks for sitting thru this and yes it is a very long message to read. I hope that you have not wasted your time reading it?

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P.S - I need a rest now, my fingers are sore...
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clickherephotographytips You are a STAR thank you so much for that in depth advice. I will be copying and keeping that for reference (if its OK with you) .. or maybe I could make a guide from it and sell it on ebay and make my fortune (only joking )

But seriously THANKS a lot for that some excellent info there
 
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Well this post might be a few years old but it's fantastic. The inevitable has happened, as the photography tragic in the family, I have been asked to take wedding pictures for my niece and future nephew.
I have warned them that people are not necessarily my forte but they're poor because they have to have two weddings, one here in Oz and one in Sri Lanka so Aunty will have to do.
Still, I intend to put my best foot forward and having read previous helpful posts here, thought I'd do a search and what a fantastic post! Thank you clickhere etc
Oh and I see you're an Aussie too!
I have already had the bride make a list of pics she wants, enlisted hubby as my assistant and the chief bridesmaid to round people up, your list really adds to that as well for extra ideas
Have lined up my gear, batteries, batteries and charged everything. 3 cameras of varying types will use Pentax mostly but Fuji bridge as backup, Olympus tough if all else fails !
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I would just add this if you are thinking of making a full time occupation of this. A lot of couples just go and live together so there are less weddings and everyone at a wedding has a camera or mobile phone so there are no sales for extra prints.
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The wedding last weekend had disposable cameras on the table.
Not sure what the thoughts are on this bit but if you provide them
You can keep control of prints and plus have a lot of randomn shot
To add to the day.

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I would just add this if you are thinking of making a full time occupation of this. A lot of couples just go and live together so there are less weddings and everyone at a wedding has a camera or mobile phone so there are no sales for extra prints.
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Will definitely NOT be trying to make a living this way, I already have a day job

I'm doing this strictly for love
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i do about 6 - 8 weddings a year. I really dont enjoy them but people seem to want me to shoot them and have a problem saying No to people, every year i say thats it,. No more.... and well i have 5 bookings for next year already... its not easy to do when u are already working full time.. Why do i do them if i dont enjpy them? cos I believe that a lot of wedding photographers charge way too much. and it shouldnt matter what budget you are on you shold be able to have good quality images of your big day. I recently read a thread where a B and G where charged £2800 for tog to be at the wedding from the wedding breakfast onwards - in my life wedding breakfasts are after the ceremony so im assuming that didint even cover that. it did however include a large book with two smaller books of the same.... and that was it. sorry i think thats outrageous. whilst i do think that to an extent you get what you pay for you also have to be aware that people will have you paying way more than you are getting if you are fool enough to give them it. There are also people who will give you much more than you pay for ( I have been told I need triple my prices) but im happy at what i charge and i havent had a single complaint and most of my weddings come from recommendations from previous weddings. I still dont enjoy them tho., actually i do enjoy them once they start but im probably more nervous than the bride!" lol
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Well I survived the day - no equipment failures. Took around 300 shots at ceremony, park locations and reception. Man, was it hard work, I have new respect for wedding togs ( Not that I dint always admire them ...)
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