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Old 26-02-2007, 13:27   #1 (permalink)
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huge hello to everyone isnt it great to have a place like this.
well i am new to photography i purchased my first d-slr camera canon 400d camera, i took a nice photo of a cottage and made it b/w but i now want to print it in b/w but it keeps coming out in bits of colour. i have also made it look like its in canvass via cs2 looks great but for some reason when i come to print the dam thing bits of colour keeps comming out. please if anyone can help let me know

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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

I think you will have to let us know what printer you have, also when you say bits if colour.. do you meen patches or an overall cast?
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i have epson rx620 not sure what colour cast is but it doesnt look anything like a b/w photo when i print it out if that helps


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i am using cs2 why doesnt it print what u see on screen doesnt make any sense but i guess cs2 is a very complicated program it cost enough ...lol



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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

Hi Cybersurfe. I use a Canon printer, but some of this might be relevent. Colour management is a can of worms. It is best to try to get consistency right through the process from camera to printer. This may not all apply to your current problem, but is probably worth considering.

Lets start with the camera. Set the colour space to Adobe 1998. sRGB is for displaying images on the web.

Photoshop can also be configured to use the same setting, and has other features to control the print output. When you print, use the print with preview' option, and in the printer properties make sure you have the 'allow printer to optimise/set/control the colour' disabled. You don't want your PS work to be changed by a printer, do you?

If your monitor is not calibrated, you might find that the print will not be the same as what you see on the monitor.

You did not say how you converted the image to mono. If you did this in camera, it is not as good as capturing your image in colour, and converting to mono in PS. If you did it in PS, you might have introduced a cast and not noticed if the monitor if not calibrated. A cast is an overall tinge to the image, and is usually all over it, or shows where a particular colour is prevalent. Sometimes this effect is caused by the paper. Different papers need different profiles to give the best results.

I'd guess that your immediate problem is not setting the printer to manual/software colour control. I expect a member more familier with Epson printers will be along soon and may be able to offer better advice.
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Old 26-02-2007, 15:32   #7 (permalink)
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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

hi Dabhand
many thnaks for reply seems i did have the printer sorting the colour, however even after sorting that out the pic is still comming out with mostly colour cast, havnt a clue how to setup the monitir with software if u have advice on that it might be my prob, however i took the photo in colour and coverted it in PS via hue/sat which i took from a mag however it didnt tell u how tp print it, even looking though the PS Manual its like looking at the bible and really takes breath away thinking where u start.
but i will keep at it.
i was reading an article on this forum from lolyton which im still working on but if anyone else cxan help im up for the hard work ahead

many thanks again Dabhand


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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

Right there is a clue here. I've used hue/sat for conversions before, but I've found that it can be both complex and liable to give the colour casts, especially as I'm a bit colour blind, so can't always see them!

I suggest you go back to your original image, and do the conversion with the channel mixer. Image>adjustments>channel mixer.

You can check the mono checkbox in the bottom LHS, and then play around with the sliders until you get the effect that you want. The rule of thumb is that all of the values of the sliders ought to add up to 100, but rules can be broken.

Doing this is just to see if this cures the original issue. The channel mixer is a tool that can be used in many ways, and all we are trying to do here is the get you on the right track, so don't be put off if you can't get the result you really want first time.

Don't forget to keep the printer on manual/PS control, and let us know how this works out.
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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

Further to my last post, you might find this useful.

There is an Adobe calibration tool that you can use to roughly set up your monitor. It used to be tucked away in my windows control panel, but not anymore! I'm sure it is lurking somewhere in PS, but I can't find it.
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Old 26-02-2007, 16:16   #10 (permalink)
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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

tried using channel mixer hoping to god it would fix my prob it didnt ,besides if it was that easy we wouldnt have amazing programs like PS and all its great options so we try again, i think it has to do with monitor setup worth doing even if it dont sort prob out

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Old 26-02-2007, 16:30   #11 (permalink)
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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

As a matter of interest, what paper are you using? Channel mixer will take out all of the colour if you have used the mono check box, so it seems the problem is in the printer. Does it print in colour OK? Hopefully, somone with an Epson will be along soon.

I seem to remember someone with a similar problem curing it by changing the paper. As I said before, some papers need to have their own profile loaded.

If you have a flash drive, put the images on that and try someone else's printer, not forgetting to turn off the auto color control, of course.
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yea i thought same but i tried 4 diff set of paper 3 of them photo paper the other was cheap 80gm paper i cant find anything to do with monitor setup ive looked in epson printer manual seems i have it setup right but your right it could be the printer
could it have anything to do with how i took the photo im trying to think of all sorts of things and i bet its just somthing really simple


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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

I don't think this has anything to do with Photoshop at all and frankly I think you can play until the cows come home and that colour cast is not going to shift.

Your problem will almost certainly be in the printer and the paper. I know your printer is not calibrated but even with it, you are never going to get a perfectly black and white image to come out of a colour printer if it has one black cartridge and that is all it has to work with. I have a Canon i9950 printer that is worth over 400 but that won't produce perfect mono prints without a slight colour cast either. A colour cast is a hint of colour across the image rather than looking truly black and grey.

You need to be realistic about what you can achieve when it comes to printing out in mono and remember that to get as close to the best your printer will allow, you must be using its own inks and papers as that is what it is designed for. If you're anything like me, you might well be using some different inks, papers or both. I have found that despite using cheaper cartirdges, that doesn't tend to affect my prints very much at all (they are from a very good company I must say) but the paper I use makes a huge difference.

I most commonly use Ilford Galerie paper but without ever changing the image or the inks, if it is a fairly warm image I am looking for I print it on Classic Pearl paper. If however I want a cooler tone I go for the Classic Smooth paper. If I wanted an image that is dull and lifeless (I don't!) then I would use Kodak Premium Photo Paper! Note, I am NOT slamming Kodak papers, I am saying that the combination of the inks I personally use does not work well with that particular paper.

So, first of all be realistic about what you are expecting. True black and white is extremely difficult to print on a colour printer unless it is the type that has two or three tones of black ink to use. If absolute perfection is important to you, you will need to think about investing in a second printer that you can use something like Lyson Monochrome inks with. You'll need to keep it for just that purpose so don't try and use a colour set in the same printer as it just doesn't work.

I hope that has given you a bit more to think about as I have been reading the thread and I think you are spending a lot of time trying to solve this in Photoshop and I don't think you are going to get it sorted.

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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

Well, there is is! Not being familier with your printer was the weak link. At least I was on the right lines!
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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

Well if you can't beat it, why not go for a toned look to your Mono. If new to CS2 you might want to try our this "plug in" here for Virtiual Photographer :- http://www.pixalo.com/community/down...?do=file&id=47 .

From this you can produce lots of different toned Mono's
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hi rob
i just got back from camera club it seems pure b/w cant be done on my printer but almost can be done with a lot of messing around with printer drivers and other means have a nice man comming tomorrow to have a play around but he prety much told me same if iwant to use pure b/w i have to invest in a mono printer so thanks very much for info

hi dave i am just d/l ing that plugin right this min i will have a play when i get it

thanks for post guys and your input

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Keep us posted as to your progress. Could be a new printer is on the wish list?
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..... but he prety much told me same if iwant to use pure b/w i have to invest in a mono printer so thanks very much for info
Well I love my Mono's but still can't justify the price of a dedicated printer, so like me it's worth considering getting prints done by online print labs such as Photobox etc.....& if you have some really special shots then consider a pro lab like mentioned here :- http://www.pixalo.com/community/supp...-uk-10383.html


Another thread that may be of interest :- http://www.pixalo.com/community/gene...ints-8161.html
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first i would like to thank those for there advice its been very helpful. after a long resless sleep last night i decided to look for a dedicated b/w photo printer had to pick myself after seeing price but sod it i ordered the new epson r2400 its comming tomorrow its also A3 cant wait. very disapointed that a printer that cost me 160 pound r620 cant do this. not to worry however i did have to treat my good lady wife to a day shopping for new cloths and i have have to go with her. things we do for progress.

however all your info wasnt lost it made me calibrate my monitors and boy do they look good now its like having a new monitor again 1 prob i am having is i use 2 22 Xerox XM3inch monitors on a Gainward Geforce Bliss 8800 GTX 768mb DDRPCI-E Graphic Card
for some reason when i calibrate one it knocks the other off not to much but u can tell dont get me wrong it still looks good but i seem not to be able to get them exacly the same can anyone help its not mega important its just one of those annoying things

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Re: saying hello with a printing prob

You lucky man! Well done - I'm sure you will not regret it

As regards the calibration of dual monitors, I know some members here do use dual monitors, and they ought to be able to help with this. Can I suggest that you post a new question in the Computer Hardware, Software, networking and Internet forum? You will probably get a better response there, as it is off your original topic here.

There is a thread here on calibration in general terms.
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sorry i didnt reply right away i suffer from an illness that i just fall asleep without really much control but i will post new one when i get back thanks m8
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If you calibrate using a single graphics card for two monitors then, depending on the graphics card, it will often through the other one out. If it is a good card with individually adjustable colour profiles for each output then you can get both perfect, if not then you should aim to get the monitor that you view the final picture on before printing as close as you can to being as it will come out of the printer.

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sorted the monitor calibration out i dowloaded some software and it looks great thanks also sorted out my printing prob out one thing i didnt think of was clean the heads i have a continues ink system so i thought i should have to clean iit what a gooma i am the dam pic look amazing now,
new printer came today printed out my first A3 photo how the hell i have lived without a /w printer i dont know also made my first 4 pound by printing off a photo for a friend so already its starting to pay for itself just anouther few hundred more

thanks everyone its been a real pleasure having your advice
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It took a while to sort out your problem, but see how great this board is?

I have the Canon i9900, but print my monos on my friend's 2400!!!

You will have a ball with that machine.

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