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Old 06-11-2013, 13:17   #1 (permalink)
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Selecting shots from shoots

This is probably a very stupid question but I am wasting far too much time.
When you have several shots which are very similar, do you just select one or 2 or do you process and edit every one that is good enough?

I am currently working through the hundreds of photos I took at a friend's wedding and it is taking forever since each pose or group shot has 3 to 8 images which are (as far as I can see) OK - I am processing every one - but it is taking forever.
What do other people do?
I just don't know how to select a couple as I have no idea which ones she would like the best.
Obviously I omit the ones with closed eyes, strange expressions or too soft but after this...??
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Best way is to just pick them yourself. The other way is to let your 'client' choose, but this can have issues if they want them all or pick ones that you can see are rubbish.

I first wizz through the images giving them ratings. I use Lightroom, but there are other solutions. Then I filter by the highest rating and look for similar pictures. Lightroom allows you to select several images and displays them side by side to enable you to do a knock out to reduce the similar ones down to one or two, I then remove the rating from the rejects so they go back to the pool. I then apply some Lightroom tweeks and export the results to a folder. Then I then colour tag the images.

Then I in look at the next lowest rating and see if there are any that could be promoted. This would include getting previously 'missed' shots. If there are, I change the rating to the same as the highest group. The new ones show up as they are not colour tagged. Then I process the new pictures, export them and apply the same colour tag.

Sometimes I repeat the process, but usually only do the two highest rating groups.

I then only put the images from the folder through Photoshop.

I think that weeding a wedding shoot would be more time consuming than a studio shoot, but the other way to limit the processing time is not to take too many pictures - especially 'samey' ones! I shot a corporate golf event. A half day, one round including the lunch before and the prize giving. Ended up with 250 pictures of which about 120 processed. In a 4 hour studio shoot I'll typically take around 250 pictures and will process about 60.
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Best way is to just pick them yourself. The other way is to let your 'client' choose, but this can have issues if they want them all or pick ones that you can see are rubbish.

I first wizz through the images giving them ratings. I use Lightroom, but there are other solutions. Then I filter by the highest rating and look for similar pictures. Lightroom allows you to select several images and displays them side by side to enable you to do a knock out to reduce the similar ones down to one or two, I then remove the rating from the rejects so they go back to the pool. I then apply some Lightroom tweeks and export the results to a folder. Then I then colour tag the images.

Then I in look at the next lowest rating and see if there are any that could be promoted. This would include getting previously 'missed' shots. If there are, I change the rating to the same as the highest group. The new ones show up as they are not colour tagged. Then I process the new pictures, export them and apply the same colour tag.

Sometimes I repeat the process, but usually only do the two highest rating groups.

I then only put the images from the folder through Photoshop.

I think that weeding a wedding shoot would be more time consuming than a studio shoot, but the other way to limit the processing time is not to take too many pictures - especially 'samey' ones! I shot a corporate golf event. A half day, one round including the lunch before and the prize giving. Ended up with 250 pictures of which about 120 processed. In a 4 hour studio shoot I'll typically take around 250 pictures and will process about 60.
Yes I am very worried about letting her see all of the photos as she could easily pick one in which she likes her smile but the rest of the photo is rubbish.
Ah - lightroom....I don't have lightroom and have only recently shelled out for photoshop (although am loving its raw processor - it is brilliant)
Thanks for the lightroom tips - will have to price it up now to see if I can afford it in the next few months - esp if it going to save me time.
I do think I need to take less samey photos but it is probably a confidence thing and I am terrified of having no useable ones.
Cheers - this is very helpful
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Re: Selecting shots from shoots

May be create the outline book with what you think is right.
Don't give them an option for the groups. But show them the speciality shots
Eg on the beach or window shots. That way at least most of the photos will be up to your standered.

just a thought as my own experiance is basic.
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You could try downloading "Digikam". Rather like Lightroom, it can help organise your photos, and has a section called "Light Table" that will allow you to put up several photos together to scrutinise and then decide on the best. It's free to download, and although it does not handle all the processing power that Photoshop can offer it will give you a fighting chance with so many pictures to sort through. It's generally kept up to date very well and should handle most of the recent cameras.
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lightroom....I don't have lightroom and have only recently shelled out for photoshop
If you have Photoshop it includes Bridge. I don't use it, but check it out and you might find that it has filtering/rating capabilities.
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With all our photoshoots, we use Bridge and, where there's multiples of the same/v similar compositions, it's a very quick selection of the best. Look at each shot one by one and at each shot decide whether the next in sequence is better or worse than the best so far - promote to best or continue with the pre-existing best. Process only the best.
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I also use Lightroom which is ideal for this but I did use Bridge before I had Lightroom and you already must have Bridge. After importing images from a photoshoot the first thing I do is to check for those I want to delete. You are right that some images will be obvious (flash did not fire, closed eyes, someone moved etc.) but also you may have several similar shots. LR allows you to compare that Group of shots in the survey mode and you can eliminate the poorer shots. For the final few the LR compare mode helps where you compare two at a time (possibly zooming right in. You might just keep the best but no harm in keeping the second best as well. For my general photography I will delete 40% of my shots at this stage. In some cases the figure is much lower and some much higher as it is dependent on the type of photography. I tend to keep a high percentage of Landscapes but may delete many sports or Studio shots.

What I actually do (and I think that this is also true for Bridge) is to "Mark for Delete". When you get to the end you can then view all of the shots marked for delete and have a final check before actually deleting them. I then rate the remaining images 1* to 5*. With LR and Bridge you could just show the client all 4* and above and just keep the lower rating images to yourself just in case.
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May be create the outline book with what you think is right.
Don't give them an option for the groups. But show them the speciality shots
Eg on the beach or window shots. That way at least most of the photos will be up to your standered.

just a thought as my own experiance is basic.
Cheers thanks - I am defo creating far too much work for myself so will cut down on their choice

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You could try downloading "Digikam". Rather like Lightroom, it can help organise your photos, and has a section called "Light Table" that will allow you to put up several photos together to scrutinise and then decide on the best. It's free to download, and although it does not handle all the processing power that Photoshop can offer it will give you a fighting chance with so many pictures to sort through. It's generally kept up to date very well and should handle most of the recent cameras.
Great - thanks I will look this up

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If you have Photoshop it includes Bridge. I don't use it, but check it out and you might find that it has filtering/rating capabilities.
Ah I have only used Bridge to open a JPEG as RAW - have no idea what else it does lol

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With all our photoshoots, we use Bridge and, where there's multiples of the same/v similar compositions, it's a very quick selection of the best. Look at each shot one by one and at each shot decide whether the next in sequence is better or worse than the best so far - promote to best or continue with the pre-existing best. Process only the best.
Good tips - I will be far more ruthless

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I also use Lightroom which is ideal for this but I did use Bridge before I had Lightroom and you already must have Bridge. After importing images from a photoshoot the first thing I do is to check for those I want to delete. You are right that some images will be obvious (flash did not fire, closed eyes, someone moved etc.) but also you may have several similar shots. LR allows you to compare that Group of shots in the survey mode and you can eliminate the poorer shots. For the final few the LR compare mode helps where you compare two at a time (possibly zooming right in. You might just keep the best but no harm in keeping the second best as well. For my general photography I will delete 40% of my shots at this stage. In some cases the figure is much lower and some much higher as it is dependent on the type of photography. I tend to keep a high percentage of Landscapes but may delete many sports or Studio shots.

What I actually do (and I think that this is also true for Bridge) is to "Mark for Delete". When you get to the end you can then view all of the shots marked for delete and have a final check before actually deleting them. I then rate the remaining images 1* to 5*. With LR and Bridge you could just show the client all 4* and above and just keep the lower rating images to yourself just in case.
Brilliant tips thanks - I actually don't ever delete anything which makes sorting through shots incredibly time consuming. Must be more efficient.
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Go thru them all reject the really "bad" ones. ( hopefully not too many)...... then go back through them and this time i concentrate on the groups which are similar,,. make sure you have at least one of every group of people.... sometimes it means substituting eyes which are blinking etc but i only usually give the couple one of each group of simlar shots unless of course there is a person ins one that s not in the other shots,
then go thru then all again and individually process ONLY the ones you intend to give the couple.
some wedding togs batch process, i prefer to give each shot my individual attention cos each shot the couple get is different
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Brilliant tips thanks - I actually don't ever delete anything which makes sorting through shots incredibly time consuming. Must be more efficient.
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I never delete *any* pics as I will often return later and find merit in an overlooked shot (it's not necessarily the subject itself). And then there's using backgrounds, scenes copied across into other images......

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some wedding togs batch process, i prefer to give each shot my individual attention cos each shot the couple get is different
I'm the same with outside pet shoots. The light/conditions/scene/viewpoint changes so often that batch processing is impossible, so every shoot pick my way through 100s of images! Studio's much, much easier!
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Go thru them all reject the really "bad" ones. ( hopefully not too many)...... then go back through them and this time i concentrate on the groups which are similar,,. make sure you have at least one of every group of people.... sometimes it means substituting eyes which are blinking etc but i only usually give the couple one of each group of simlar shots unless of course there is a person ins one that s not in the other shots,
then go thru then all again and individually process ONLY the ones you intend to give the couple.
some wedding togs batch process, i prefer to give each shot my individual attention cos each shot the couple get is different
Great advice thanks - I have already found one set of group shots in which there isn't a single one where no one is blinking so a bit of work needed there.

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I'm the same with outside pet shoots. The light/conditions/scene/viewpoint changes so often that batch processing is impossible, so every shoot pick my way through 100s of images! Studio's much, much easier!
Ah great ta - I will just move to another folder for security reasons.
These photos are impossible to batch process with the sun constantly appearing and disappearing all the time

After all the great advice yesterday, I have discovered the time-saving qualities of Bridge for quick viewing and moving around - cheers everyone
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