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Old 26-07-2009, 00:53   #1 (permalink)
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sharpening in cs4

hello, i am just wondering if anyone has any tips for sharpening images using cs4 i have searched for this in the search bar but i cant seem to find anything.

thank you in advance
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Old 26-07-2009, 05:50   #2 (permalink)
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Re: sharpening in cs4

Hi Aidey: I just received my CS4 update which is totally and unexpectedly ... in French! I always had all of my Photoshop software in English, so that was a bit difficult at first.
Nonetheless, here is a trick I have recently learned from someone who posted (I think it was here ??) a while back:
Please note that this one of the ways to sharpen and there are literally dozens of different methods. This is a "try and if you don't like it ... trash it" sort of suggestion.
1. Open picture in CS4
2. Go to: Image > Mode > Lab Colour
3. Click on (small icon at the right side of the screen) "Lightness", the image will turn monochrome, don't worry about it for now.
4. Go to: any filter which you may want to use, especially good is the Unsharp Mask which will not destroy the image during the processing while in Lab Colour. In the French version, I just couldn't find the translation for Unsharp Mask, so I am using "Netteté Optimisée" which I believe does the same. Hope someone will correct me if I am wrong.
I use a radius of 0.5 and go from 100 to 200+% ... watch not to overdo it, go gradually and avoid any obvious/unwanted "lines" around the subject's edges. I find that if the image is properly exposed, you may
go even higher.
5. Go to: Image > Mode > RGB Colour; that will take you back to the original image colours.
You may want to do all of this in a separate adjustment layer, just in case.
Hope this helped.
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Old 26-07-2009, 10:25   #3 (permalink)
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Re: sharpening in cs4

I use a variety of sharpening methods, depending on shot/lens/camera but none specifically for CS4 (and not sure there are any, as such). One I find a very good general method for web display is High Pass:

Size for web display
Duplicate layer
Filters, Other, High Pass
Set Radius somewhere between 0.5-1.2px (dependant on lens)
Alter to Overlay (or Soft/Hard Light for different conditions)
Flatten image (or just Save for Web which flattens)

Final result may be tweaked by altering opacity prior to flattening (and easily seen by switching layer on and off)
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Re: sharpening in cs4

thanks to you both but markulous you have lost me a bit on this maybe when ive found my way around cs a bit ill dunerstand... thank you
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Re: sharpening in cs4

So many ways to sharpen but it would be good to hear how others sharpen their images
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Re: sharpening in cs4

I use various methods, but I have them all set up as actions, so it is difficult to explain the step by step stages.

Best option is proberbly to get a book on CS4 (Martin Evening, Scott Kelby)
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Re: sharpening in cs4

I have used many methods but most frequently use Smart Sharpen which was also available in CS3. It seems to be a little better than Unsharp Mask though undoubtedly it is based on an Unsharp Mask process. In many cases (particularly portraits), I only sharpen selected areas.

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Old 27-07-2009, 00:50   #8 (permalink)
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Re: sharpening in cs4

Thanks Mark for the concise High Pass how-to, will give that a go

I get good results with Unsharp Mask; the trick is to keep the radius small + the amount high - I start at max (500%) and work backwards if it looks excessive.

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So many ways to sharpen but it would be good to hear how others sharpen their images
You just reminded me P-E, still waiting to hear how you do your sharpening, per discussion started in another thread, but never finished (you said you don't do yours at the end of your workflow)
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Re: sharpening in cs4

I use Nix filters - great!
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Re: sharpening in cs4

... I read all sorts of different ways to sharpen without destroying the original photo! Doing a Google search on the subject provides with hundreds of methods, each claiming to be the best one.
I guess it is a matter of never overdoing it because it sure will show undesirable effects, no matter what method one uses.
I've tried a few and none really is better than another. Matter of choice and results wanted.
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Re: sharpening in cs4

One method which makes good sense though I do not often use it myself is to use smart objects.

Convert the layer you wish to sharpen to a smart object then choose sharpen>smart Sharpen. You can then set an appropriate amount of sharpening for your output media but next time you need to output the file you can alter the sharpening settings to suit.
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Re: sharpening in cs4

My sharpening method of choice is the High Pass method as it is highly controllable. It is easy to overdo sharpening with any method though so I always recommend you use a separate duplicate layer (just hit Ctrl+J to duplicate the layer) to apply your sharpening. As Mark said, you can adjust this layer's effect by reducing the opacity.

You can also selectively apply the sharpening as follows: Apply your sharpening to a duplicate layer as mentioned above. Now add a layer mask to this layer and paint with black (make sure layer mask is selected on the layer pallet, not the thumbnail itself or you'll just paint black onto the picture!)

Wherever you paint with black, you will hide the sharpened layer and show the layer underneath. So if there is a part that is looking strange, showing noise, etc you can remove it from the sharpened layer.

If you want to show an area that has been sharpened but still reduce it's effect, you can paint grey onto the layer mask. This will give you a reduced opacity in that area.

If anyone wants me to, I'll be happy to make a tutorial on this so that you see how controllable this method of application can be. This doesn't just apply to sharpening but to any processing or effect you apply to a picture.

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Re: sharpening in cs4

Interesting thread....
Is there no "Sharpen" tool available in CS4 straight off the toolbar then?...

I am using PhotoPlus here, and the [Effects]>sharpen , >sharpen more, or >unsharp mask is available straight off the toolbar, no "Permanent" changes are made until you save, as you are not editing the file directly, just a "SPP" project file...
Different ways of doing the same thing.
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Re: sharpening in cs4

Those tools sre available in most editors, but Rob's method gives rather more control and also allows you to sharpen different parts of the image by different amounts.

You could achieve something similar by selecting an area (lasso tool, or whatever) for sharpening and leaving, say, the background unsharpened so as not to emphasise noise etc.
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Those tools sre available in most editors, but Rob's method gives rather more control and also allows you to sharpen different parts of the image by different amounts.

You could achieve something similar by selecting an area (lasso tool, or whatever) for sharpening and leaving, say, the background unsharpened so as not to emphasise noise etc.
.... Ahhhhh!!.... I get it now.....

Ok, so, I have never tried that... I didnt even know you could...
You learn something new every day, thats why I am here.
Thanks for the tips folks...
As I said, interesting thread, I am off to experiment.
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Re: sharpening in cs4

Don't use CS4 but in Coral X11 I sometimes use high pass on the full size image but more often than not I use the unsharp filter. Always use the unsharp filter after resizing. I do the opposite to Charlotte. I start with a small radius at a low level then increase the value untill the sharpening starts to become obvious then back off a little.

Markulous you say you set the radius for high pass dependent on the lens. Are you making an allowance for the quality of the image or has the focal length something to do with it that I don't understand?
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Re: sharpening in cs4

a couple of months ago I posted this steps here http://www.pixalo.com/community/peop...ory-32972.html
I used my favorite method there.

Duplicate the layer (for a grungy look you can set it to Soft Light)
Do a High Pass Filter, play with the settings.
Lower opacity to whatever you desire
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you can use a mask layer but the "sharpening" will not look even.
I recommend to lower the opacity instead, unless you only want to sharpen specific areas.



ahhhh sooo many ways to do this.

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Markulous you say you set the radius for high pass dependent on the lens. Are you making an allowance for the quality of the image or has the focal length something to do with it that I don't understand?
Quality and focal length of lens make a difference ("better" lenses needs less sharpening and wider angles have more detail packed in requiring less sharpening). But it's also down to subject; waterfalls can take a high degree of sharpening but a bare tree silhouetted against a sky will produce haloes all too easily
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YES YES Rob please make a tutorial !! I need a step by step, as I'm none too smart, so I print out any tutorials and that makes it easier, would be great ! thanks in advance ! you are a nice guy !!
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I second the tutorial pleeease they are very useful indeed
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Re: sharpening in cs4

Ok, Tutorial made for you Frances and Aidey, and of course anyone else who might find it useful.

You can find it here: High Pass Selective Sharpening - Pixalo Photography Community

Hope you find it helpful.

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