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Old 29-05-2008, 09:53   #1 (permalink)
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When you shoot in Raw how long do you keep the files for, i ask as i see people asking others have you still got the original, do you keep them forever

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Old 29-05-2008, 09:58   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Shooting in Raw

i keep em forever. forever, so far, being 2.5 years

Think of them like film negatives - u wouldn't throw those out. RAW files are just the same - in fact they are often referred to as Digital Negatives.
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i keep em forever. forever, so far, being 2.5 years

Think of them like film negatives - u wouldn't throw those out. RAW files are just the same - in fact they are often referred to as Digital Negatives.
So how big is your hard drive or do you keep them elsewhwere
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Re: Shooting in Raw

I used to keep all my images but have now decided to be more ruthless and only keep the better ones or ones that are significant in some way. I used to have over 100 GB of files but that is coming down.

I do get paranoid about loosing these though so I keep seceral copies. On more than one hard drive and also on DVDs

The main think is not to keep everything on one drive. Hard drives do not live for ever and they will fail at some time. While you can restore operating systems and programs it is the data that you cannot get back if it is not backed up.

I always have at least 2 drives in my PCs and copy the pictures to both as soon as I download then from the card. If you only have one drive then I would copy your pictures onto a CD or better a DVD as soon as possible.

I tend to back up everything to DVDs at about 3 month intervals and then keep the last two back up sets as well. Did I say I wa paranoid

Hard drives a cheap now; at the last PC fair I went to 750 GB drives were going for about £65. They are also very easy to install in desk top machines.
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Re: Shooting in Raw

The photo storage partition is only 175GB of which I've used 123GB but that's all my photies going back to march 2006 (9,147 of em).
That 123GB also includes 900 PSD files of images worth keeping plus the jpgs automatically created when I copy the raws to my system. My PSD's range from 15MB to 750MB each but are mostly around 30-75MB mark

Note that I don't tend to delete my pics so of that 9000+ raw files probably about 8,000 of em could be safely deleted

tbh raw files are relativly small when compared with todays hdd sizes.

I've also got a backup (500GB) USB drive where I archive my stuff off plus i'm in the process of writing 2006 images to DVD for more "permanant" storage.
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I used to keep all my images but have now decided to be more ruthless and only keep the better ones or ones that are significant in some way. I used to have over 100 GB of files but that is coming down.

I do get paranoid about loosing these though so I keep seceral copies. On more than one hard drive and also on DVDs

The main think is not to keep everything on one drive. Hard drives do not live for ever and they will fail at some time. While you can restore operating systems and programs it is the data that you cannot get back if it is not backed up.

I always have at least 2 drives in my PCs and copy the pictures to both as soon as I download then from the card. If you only have one drive then I would copy your pictures onto a CD or better a DVD as soon as possible.

I tend to back up everything to DVDs at about 3 month intervals and then keep the last two back up sets as well. Did I say I wa paranoid

Hard drives a cheap now; at the last PC fair I went to 750 GB drives were going for about £65. They are also very easy to install in desk top machines.
Yes i have 2 160g hard drives in my machine but i keep mostly music on the spare one, but if im to start shooting in Raw i will keep them on my usb external hard drive, but thats only 80g how soon will i fill that up
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Re: Shooting in Raw

I keep everything - and yes, it does take up some space, but (as already said) hard drives are cheap nowadays.

In case it's of interest, I have a 750GB internal drive that is used only for data (documents, music and photos). That is backed up automatically every day to an external USB drive (using software that only copies files that are new or have changed). When I remember I also backup to another external drive, and I synch between the Windows and Linux machines, so I end up with 4 copies of everything. That's overkill but it makes me happy.
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Do you guy's shoot in Raw & jpeg or just Raw
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Re: Shooting in Raw

Just RAW. Some people shoot RAW+JPEG if they want something that can be printed or transmitted immediately, but otherwise I don't see the need for both.

What you do with the RAW file is a little controversial, and depends on the software you use and how much processing is needed. I'll elaborate if you like, but there are a million different opinions on this!
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RAW only. As for storage I'm pretty much like the other guys. I keep all RAW files on a separate HDD in the PC and back up to Dual-layer DVD. After about two years I will burn another DVD on a rotational basis since there is no guarantee on DVD quality and longevity.

Currently I have every RAW file. I am seriously thinking of a cull, but then I think what if.......?

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Thank you all from now on im going to shoot in Raw only and see how i get on
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When you shoot in Raw how long do you keep the files for, i ask as i see people asking others have you still got the original, do you keep them forever
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So how big is your hard drive or do you keep them elsewhwere
Process on a 300GB drive (but now short of space) and backup to an external 300GB

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I've got 500gb on the pc, which is fairly full and a 250gb and 500gb external drive. I keep pretty much everything. Shoot jpeg only for sports, as going through 500+ shots in RAW would be a pain in the Butt, but shoot RAW for everything else.
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I can see i will be visiting scan at horwich next week for a couple of hard drives any one used them there really cheap, well i think so

Computer hardware and software at amazing prices, available online from Scan Computers UK
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2GB of memory for my laptop arrived from Scan this morning.
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I save all my RAW shots and as said use external HD's.
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I only shoot Raw. As soon as I have loaded the Raw files to my hard drive after a shoot, I quickly check and delete those that I will never want (about 40-50%). I then retain all the remaining Raw files indefinitely and have at least 3 copies as disk space is so cheap.

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If your visiting Scan then take a packed lunch and a hammock you'll need them.

I'm afraid I don't deal with Scan any more after paying for items on line and agreeing to a 3 day delivery, only to find they take the money straight off the card and 3 days later say the goods are out of stock. They where in stock when I paid so effectively they sold MY goods to someone else. Goods paid for should have been picked and packed the day I paid and delivered as agreed, not picked the day of despatch. Their record for me waiting for goods before that was 2 1/2 hours, not good.

I now use Microdirect, and if you go to the Stockport branch opposite the McVitie Biscuits factory you rarely wait more than 20 minutes. Plus their prices are in most slightly cheaper than scan.

By the way I work for neither I just like good customer service, sorely lacking at scan.
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If your visiting Scan then take a packed lunch and a hammock you'll need them.

I'm afraid I don't deal with Scan any more after paying for items on line and agreeing to a 3 day delivery, only to find they take the money straight off the card and 3 days later say the goods are out of stock. They where in stock when I paid so effectively they sold MY goods to someone else. Goods paid for should have been picked and packed the day I paid and delivered as agreed, not picked the day of despatch. Their record for me waiting for goods before that was 2 1/2 hours, not good.

I now use Microdirect, and if you go to the Stockport branch opposite the McVitie Biscuits factory you rarely wait more than 20 minutes. Plus their prices are in most slightly cheaper than scan.

By the way I work for neither I just like good customer service, sorely lacking at scan.
Sorry chris but you cant call scan to me ive dealt with them for a few years, i never phone and order i just call to the counter, yes there is a wait, but thats because there good, i live 7 miles away so its great for me
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I'm not going to argue with you Ray but I used Dabs for years when they had a customer counter and they where okay especially as the Company I work for is on the same trading estate.

I used VIP for years before that in Manchester until they went trade only on the back of all of us who got them off the ground.

I dealt with Scan for many years and had a great deal of respect for them.

However when they take money for goods they then sell then thats bad enough.

If you like them then stick with them, but I've been in the Computer game 30+ years and although they are priced competitavely they have sadly let themselves down on too many occasions.

None of the lads where I work will buy off them any more for similar reasons.

Microdirect on the other hand have never let me down, and recently they went out of their way to satisfy me when I had to take Silkstones new drive back.

Anyway horses for courses as they say.

As for External drives Maplins ( Maplin Electronics â„¢ Website- 500GB Seagate FreeAgent Hard Drive ) also do some very reasonably priced seagate external drives, maybe you should have a looksee at them as theirs one in nearly every town centre ( Boton included )

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I'm not going to argue with you Ray but I used Dabs for years when they had a customer counter and they where okay especially as the Company I work for is on the same trading estate.

I used VIP for years before that in Manchester until they went trade only on the back of all of us who got them off the ground.

I dealt with Scan for many years and had a great deal of respect for them.

However when they take money for goods they then sell then thats bad enough.

If you like them then stick with them, but I've been in the Computer game 30+ years and although they are priced competitavely they have sadly let themselves down on too many occasions.

None of the lads where I work will buy off them any more for similar reasons.

Microdirect on the other hand have never let me down, and recently they went out of their way to satisfy me when I had to take Silkstones new drive back.

Anyway horses for courses as they say.

As for External drives Maplins ( Maplin Electronics â„¢ Website- 500GB Seagate FreeAgent Hard Drive ) also do some very reasonably priced seagate external drives, maybe you should have a looksee at them as theirs one in nearly every town centre ( Boton included )

Sorry chris im out of here its not worth it maybe someone else can engage you
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Nowt to engage mate.

Horses for courses as I said just have a look at the maplins link.

I ain't your enemy mate we just have differing opinions thats all
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Horses for courses as I said just have a look at the maplins link.

I ain't your enemy mate we just have differing opinions thats all
Yes but you seem to be pushing yours mate end of
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Don't think Chris is pushing Ray, just putting a point across that he's had bad service from them and recommending somewhere that has the items cheaper and provide a good service, which to me seems rather a good thing to do and not argumentative. Especially if you can get the same goods at a better price, and yes, Maplins is good for external drives, I've used them in the past too.
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I know some people have had a bad experience with the Seagate FreeAgent from Maplin (now £70 for 500GB) so it sounds as if there may be a QC issue, but I bought one about a month ago for the XP machine and (so far ) it is working fine. The only drawback is that there is no on/off switch on the drive - it is controlled by the (included) backup software, or you have to unplug the power supply to turn it off. I'm also using 400GB and 300GB Seagate externals (also from Maplin) on other machines, and again they've been OK up to now.

I think it's the luck of the draw, but usually if a hard disk is faulty it shows up fairly quickly.

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I've got 2 freecom drives at the moment and they have been very reliable, I plug them into the laptop and the main PC, even take them out to events to double back up. My hubby got them for me through a works supplier, so not sure how much they were, but seem pretty rugged.
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Don't think Chris is pushing Ray, just putting a point across that he's had bad service from them and recommending somewhere that has the items cheaper and provide a good service, which to me seems rather a good thing to do and not argumentative. Especially if you can get the same goods at a better price, and yes, Maplins is good for external drives, I've used them in the past too.
I just pointed out that scan is on my doorstep, i never had a problem with them, if your buying a lot of gear by all means hunt around for a better deal, but when a place is on my doorstep im not going to go to stockport to save a couple of pounds, i wish id never mentioned scan now i dont know why i allowed myself to get involved in this discussion its not as if im buying gear all the time, so i will bow out gracefully,

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I shoot raw only and store my pics as Adobe DNG on DVD. Thinking about getting an 1TB Buffalo LinkStation Mini for the pictures only...
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