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Old 19-07-2011, 12:42   #1 (permalink)

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I HAVE ALWAYS USED JPG TO SHOOT IN, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD TRY SHOOTING IN " RAW". WHEN I TRANSFER THE IMAGES TO THE COMPUTER, IT STILL SAYS THAT IT IS A JPG.

CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME PLEASE, AS NEVER USED RAW BEFORE I AM NOT SURE WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO SEE AND HOW TO PROCESS IT, THIS IS IN PHOTOSHOP CS3 BY THE WAY.

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Re: Shooting in " raw "

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You have to change your camera setting from JPEG to RAW. I don't know what camera you use but it may only take in JPEG and not have a RAW setting.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

I think that canon cameras when set to RAW will also record an image in jpg, so you will have, in effect two images - one RAW and one in jpg.

You will need a RAW converter program to view the RAW iimages unless you download a Windows plug-in that enables RAW files to be viewed in Windows.

Just remembered - you use a MAC, don't you. Sorry - not a clue on how to view RAW images on a MAC other than using a RAW converter. If you have Elements I think it ought to do the job.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

Hi colin, i use a canon 7d and have changed the settings to raw, i also have a canon g10, which i have changed the settings to raw also, but i do not understand that when the images are in photoshop they still say they are jpg or jpeg which ever the right term is.

I clicked on help in photoshop cs3, typed raw, it then showed a drop down menu, pointing to camera raw, which then showed an adobe plug in, i clicked onto this but nothing happened, it just disappeared.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

GRAHAM, ARE THE FUNCTIONS / SETTINGS DIFFERENT FOR CS3 IN WINDOWS AND MAC ? I THOUGHT WHICH EVER SYSTEM YOU WERE ON IT WOULD RECOGNISE THE CAMERA SETTINGS THAT YOU HAVE USED.

IT DID BRIEFLY DISPLAY AN ADOBE CAMERA RAW PLUG IN, BUT WHEN I CLICKED ONTO IT, IT DISAPPEARED
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

If you have CS3, it should have Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) built-in. However, you might find that you version does not support the 7D and you will need to update it.

You should find in one of the menu items a 'check for updates' - maybe in the 'About CS3' or in the help drop down.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

iPhoto recognises RAW images also.

Latest version of Adobe Camera Raw can be found here and can be installed independently of Mac Software updates.

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Old 19-07-2011, 15:03   #8 (permalink)

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Re: Shooting in " raw "

JAG, I HAVE JUST TRIED THAT, IT SAYS THE LATEST UPDATE FOR CAMERA RAW, IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR VERSIONS LESS THAN CS5
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

If you check on the Adobe web site, you can find the various versions of ACR and what cameras they support. With luck you might find the ACR version for the 7D will be compatible with CS3. If not, I think the only option is to upgrade to CS5.

Recently Adobe were offering discounts on some products

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Don't know if CS5 is included.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

Have you tried opening the files with the free RAW Canon convertor that came with the camera. Before I upgraded to CS5, I couldn't open RAW files with CS2 as it was not up to date with the camera. But the Canon software is good and easy to use.
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You can download your photos into Canon DPP converter and then change them into DNG files and these can be worked in CS3. I think this should work for you. Let us know.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

I DOWNLOADED 150 SHOTS ONTO CANON DPP TODAY, CAN SOMEONE NOW PLEASE TELL ME, AFTER I HAVE PROCESSED THEM IN DPP, WHAT IS THE BEST FORMAT TO SAVE THEM IN :-

EXIF-TIFF
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TIFF 16 BIT AND EXIF- JPEG

THESE ARE THE SAVE OPTIONS GIVEN IN CANON DPP.

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Re: Shooting in " raw "

I use Lightroom as my RAW processor and it has similar options. What I tend to do is to export the tweaked RAW file as a 16 bit tiff into CS3, do any further work on it then save it as an 8bit tiff file.

For me this is the best for manageable file sizes and convenience. tiff is a lossless format so you will not loose any quality if you open and re-save the file, unlike jpgs.

A16bit tiff file is about 70MB whereas an 8 bit tiff is only around 20MB.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

Can I just ask, what method are you using to transfer from camera to computer?...

I ask as I have just had a similar question from someone else, and the program they were using to do the transfer was "Converting" on the fly......

If you are using the drag-and-drop method from card to hard drive, they should be the same format as on the card.
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GRAHAM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. SO WHEN IT IS CONVERTED TO TIFF, I CAN STILL GO BACK AND PROCESS IT AGAIN IF NEEDED.

THIS IS A COMLETELY NEW EXPERIENCE FOR ME, AS I HAVE NEVER USED RAW BEFORE, SO MY KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO PROCESS THEM IS NIL, SO I THINK THERE WILL BE ALOT OF DISASTERS, IF ANYONE CAN GIVE ME A FEW BASIC TIPS, I WOULD BE GRATEFUL.


SILVER DRAGON, I DOWNLOADED FROM THE CAMERA TO CANON DPP, VIA USB CABLE, NOT FROM A CARD READER


ANOTHER QUESTION, CAN I PUT MY SHOTS ONTO PIXALO IN TIFF OR DO I HAVE TO CONVERT THEM TO JPEG

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Woody, RAW files WILL have to have some work to make them presentable. There are almost an infinite number of things you can change, but if you think about what the camera software would normally do if you shoot in jpg, you are looking at contrast, saturation and sharpness as a minimum. Some shots might need an exposure tweak, and/or white balance. With pictures taken in the same conditions you can usually batch process to apply the same corrections to all of the pictures and then do the final individual tweaking in CS3.

Tiff files have the huge advantage that when you open and save them, they do not discard any information unlike jpgs. If you open and save a jpg often enough, eventually you will degrade the image. A tiff file will not degrade no matter how many times it is opened and saved.

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GRAHAM, THANK YOU, YOUR HELP AS ALWAYS IS MUCH APPRECIATED. I WILL CERTAINLY TRY MY BEST, BUT AS YOU WELL KNOW, THIS DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY FRIGHTENS THE LIFE OUT OF ME

CAN I PUT THE SHOTS IN TIFF ONTO PIXALO, OR DO I HAVE TO CONVERT THE TO JPEG TO PUT THEM ON HERE ?

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CAN I PUT THE SHOTS IN TIFF ONTO PIXALO, OR DO I HAVE TO CONVERT THE TO JPEG TO PUT THEM ON HERE ?
You can only upload jpgs to Pixalo galleries. This could be done after you have completed your processing in CS3 and saved as an 8 bit tiff for the pictures you want to post here.
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When I use DPP for my 20d I export from RAW straight to JPEG. Depends how many adjustments you are going to to. If only a few then you don't notice the loss in quality when saving and reopening. Saves me disk space compared to tiff.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

CHRISA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, I COULD NOT SEE, IN THE THEATRE, TO KEEP CHANGING MY CAMERA SETTINGS, THEREFOR, MOST OF THE SHOTS WERE TAKEN AT F1.4 1/125 ISO 1600. THE SHOTS DO NOT SEEM TO BE VERY SHARP, THEY ARE ALSO VERY NOISY.

HOW CAN I GET RID OF THE NOISE AND SHARPEN THEM. I WAS USING A SIGMA 50MM F1.4 LENS FROM A DISTANCE OF ABOUT 35 FEET, USING AUTO FOCUS.

I HAVE FOUND THIS LENS TO BE VERY SHARP AT SHORTER DISTANCES, BUT NOT REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE RESULTS AT LONGER DISTANCE.

MAYBE IT IS THE SETTINGS I USED, THAT HAS CAUSED THIS, WOULD THE SETTINGS I HAVE USED CAUSE THEM TO BE LESS SHARP AT THIS DISTANCE ?

I WISH NOW THAT I HAD HIRED A 70-200MM F2.8 LENS, AS WAS RECOMMENDED, OR GONE FOR AN 85MM F1.8
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HERE IS ONE EXAMPLE, FROM MY SHOTS YESTERDAY

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ANOTHER SHOT FROM YESTERDAY

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At f1.4 your depth of field will only be about 5-6 feet, so focusing is very important. Going down to f2.8 will increase this to about 15 feet. If you are auto focusing on the central character it will explain the issue. Maybe using a narrower aperture and setting manual focus at the hyperfocal distance would improve things? Might be worth an experiment or two.

There are several good noise reduction programs available - some have free versions too.
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GRAHAM, THANK YOU AGAIN. I TRIED NOISE NINJA, BUT WHEN I TRIED TO OPEN IN CS3 IT SAID PHOTOSHOP DOES NOT RECOGNISE THIS PLUG IN, I WILL TRY SOME OTHERS.

HERE IS ANOTHER ONE FROM YESTERDAY.

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I'm sure you don't have to have it as a plug-in. It must be available as a stand alone program.
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Re: Shooting in " raw "

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SILVER DRAGON, I DOWNLOADED FROM THE CAMERA TO CANON DPP, VIA USB CABLE, NOT FROM A CARD READER
Ahhh... Right.....
I have always used a Card reader, (My printer has one built in) as I have never had much luck using the software supplied by USB cable Camera to Computer transfer methods.
It COULD be that the required software and/or "Driver" that does the transfer for you has a pre-set in it somewhere that does that conversion from RAW to JPG.

Following on to the rest of the conversation on the thread, storage wise, I have over a terabyte available, so I use RAW because I have the space, not all of us have that space, so RAW can be quite a problem.
TIFF is a better choice if you want a better-than-JPG option, as mentioned.

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HOW CAN I GET RID OF THE NOISE AND SHARPEN THEM. I WAS USING A SIGMA 50MM F1.4 LENS FROM A DISTANCE OF ABOUT 35 FEET, USING AUTO FOCUS.

I HAVE FOUND THIS LENS TO BE VERY SHARP AT SHORTER DISTANCES, BUT NOT REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE RESULTS AT LONGER DISTANCE.
Lenses "At Distance" in the dark....
I have a Sigma zoom, and in reduced light, it tends to "seek" on auto-focus...
I have had similar problems getting the same (type) of shots as you have published whilst using A/F, my own "Fix" for this was to use Manual focus until I worked out more about how the camera worked...
However....
As using Manual focus works for me, I never DID find a way to get the camera to do it on Auto...

If anyone else has the "Fix", I am sure both Woody and Me will be interested?...
Or is this a Sigma thing?...
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