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Old 08-04-2011, 12:11   #1 (permalink)
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Looking for some personal experiences with Sigma lens. I have a 10 - 20mm wide angle which I am really pleased with. However, I am looking to add to my lenses for my canon and whilst I would prefer to stay with Canon, reviews are becoming more confusing.

I am looking to replace my 18 - 55 IS kit lens with a similar lens and add a 70 - 200mm. I need to ensure they will suit a full frame in the future and would prefer IS (not essential) HSM or similar and 2.8f fixed over the range.

I know a white zoom looks very Gucci but it comes at a price. That said there appear to be some good 70 - 200mm f4s about.

PS Am I correct in thinking DC on a Sigma means it is compatible with a full frame.

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Old 08-04-2011, 14:26   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Sigma

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PS Am I correct in thinking DC on a Sigma means it is compatible with a full frame.

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No - DG is the FF lens designation. DC is for crop cameras.

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I had a Sigma 70-200 f2.8 non-stabilised - and was very pleased with it. One-Stop Digital are selling the OS one for £850 and the non OS for £530.
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Old 08-04-2011, 15:40   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Sigma

Minor correction: whilst Sigma DC is the crop camera designation, DG is the lens coating given to cut back internal reflections (so I guess implies digital as reflections are worse with digital). Any lens that doesn't specify DC is FF
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Old 08-04-2011, 16:07   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Sigma

Sadly, I think that price is a fairly good guide. A large aperture Canon L lens will be very expensive but it will be very good. I have the Canon 24-105mm f4 L IS which is very good on a full frame and the IS is very useful. I also have a Canon 70-200mm f2.8 L IS and again this is an excellent lens and the f2.8 really helps with fast focussing. I do own a Sigma lens a 12-24mm which is also for a full frame and it gives reasonable performance considering it is very wide angle. When it comes to Infrared, the Sigma is unusable but the Canon 24-105mm is excellent. If I could start again (limiting myself to Canon) I would still buy the 24-105 and the latest version of the 70-200 but would buy the Canon 16-35mm rather than the Sigma.

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Re: Sigma

I've got to disagree with Dave on this occasion, with much foreboding. My experience is that price is only rarely an indicator of quality. I really like my Sigma 17~35 and wouldn't be prepared to pay the extra for the Canon L lenses, having used Leica, Seuss, Canon and Nikon kit for many years. Modern independent lens will give you 90% of the quality for less than half the price, I find.
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The Canon 16-35 has a great reputation and has been recommended by more than one person on here.

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Re: Sigma

i have the canon 24 - 105mm L and its fabulous. i also have the canon 70 - 200L f4 and it as well is fabulous. I have to say however that i bought a sigma 20 - 40 mm f2.8 and it is a mind blowing lens, the only down side its flippin heavy. and they dont make them anymore, on the flip side i also have a 24 - 70 f2.8 sigma and i hate it. has a very defined sweet spot where as the other siggy is pretty much as sharp right through.
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Thanks guys, still confused.........
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I've got to disagree with Dave on this occasion, with much foreboding. My experience is that price is only rarely an indicator of quality. I really like my Sigma 17~35 and wouldn't be prepared to pay the extra for the Canon L lenses, having used Leica, Seuss, Canon and Nikon kit for many years. Modern independent lens will give you 90% of the quality for less than half the price, I find.
I would not necessarily disagree with your 90% quality at half price in many cases but what if you want much better than 90%, you have to pay for it. I recall the early day of HiFi sound where it was quite normal to spend more than double for a very marginal improvement in performance. I bought my Sigma lens because it fitted my budget at the time but it is clear to me that it is inferior to my Canon lenses in many ways. This is not just about optical performance as the Canon lenses are more weather proof as well. There was a time when Which? used to only publish the best buy which was usually a medium priced item which offered good all round performance. However, they received many complaints from people who wanted to buy better performance even if it cost more so Which? modified their presentation accordingly. There will always be some who have a tighter budget than others and a few who want the best whatever the cost.

Interestingly, when I researched performance to find a suitable wide angle zoom, I determined that a particular Nikon lens was probably best (and it was possible to buy a converter for Canon) but I concluded that the Canon 16-35mm was second best.
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Interestingly, There is a Uk supplier that are only £17 more expensive than One-Stop Digital

£1050.00 to you sir

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When I got my Canon 70-200 f/2.8, I looked at all the options, tried the IS version (plus the f/4) and the consensus of reviews was that the Canon was marginally better quality than the Sigma (and specifically at minimum focus distances which I required). However, without a doubt the build quality of the Canon exceeds that of the Sigma and I knew mine would be used in relatively harsh circumstances so I was prepared to pay the premium for the Canon (despite the stupid and thoroughly irritating colour!) - mitigated to a large degree by getting s/h.

By the same token the Canon 100mm macro (mk 1) and the Sigma 105mm can be similarly compared - but I went for the Sigma as it was significantly cheaper.
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There will always be some who have a tighter budget than others and a few who want the best whatever the cost.
I agree with you Dave. The problem is that there are some who aren't as realistic as you, who forget that very few people can make good use of the quality of even relatively cheap equipment and persuade new-comers to spend excessively on kit of which they will never take full advantage. It's one thing for you and Fionna, who know exactly what you're after and how to get it, to make the commitment of £1,000 on a lens. For others, that is not the correct answer.

I've done the 20x16 print thing. In fact, at one time I made six foot prints for reception areas, usually from 6x6 film. I've now passed out the other side and know that, for the stuff I do, £1,000 on a lens is massive overkill. So my comments are based on what the average amateur (in the proper sense of the term, rather than the pejorative) is likely to want.

BTW, sorry to all who were confused by the "Seuss" reference, above; this was not a reference to a new, high quality lens for illustrating childrens' books. Rather, this is what you get if you type "Zeiss" on an iPad and leave the spell checker active!
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I've managed to confuse the forum manager with a double post. Can someone on the crew delete this, please?

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I don't do this deliberately but to throw another 'what if' into the mix. The Spring addition of Photoplus (Canon edition) tested a number of 'Budget' telephoto zoom lenses, which included the Canon EF 70 - 200mm f4 L lens. That scored the same as the Canon 55 - 250mm f/4 - 5.6, which I have. The top lens in the test was the Tamron SP 70 - 300mm f4 - 5.6 Di LD Macro. I know you generally face a loss when selling your equipment on, unless you got a great deal to start with. But I guess in the end it's down to, Reviews and personal recommendations, whether you want the lens now and what you can afford. Appreciate all your advice.

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As a matter of interest, did they test the Sigma 70-300 APO? This lens has always been rated as great value for money and is currently about £150.
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The Tamron mentioned is a brand new lens retailing at about £350 and scored 92. The Sigma 70 - 300mm f/4 - 5.6 APO DG Macro available for around £175 new scored 86. Quote - Impressive lens at the price and produced very high levels of optical quality. Only issue lack of stabilisation which made it tricky hand held in low light. It also does not have the newer HSM but a micro motor instead. The Sigma 70 - 300 f4 - 5.6 DG OS - £300, scored 88. Sharpness and contrast was amongst the best of the 70 - 300s but still lacked HSM.
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Thanks for thar Russell Gets pretty close with the scores v price. Unless you do a lot of low light shooting I still think the non stabilised lenses are the best value and I suspect there will also be a weight penalty with any of the stabilised lenses.
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I'm using the Sigma AF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 APO DG Macro and I'm really satisfied with its performance. I've also used the Canon's budget zoom for APS-C bodies, the 55-250mm IS but I think the Sigma focuses slightly faster than the Canon. I don't see any major disadvantages on Sigma lacking IS (or OS as they prefer to call it) I bought it from amazon for $209. solid build also. of course everything I say here is relative, you get what you pay for, in most cases at least. if you are looking for a budget zoom, then you might want to take a look at the Canon EF 70-300mm IS USM. probably the best among these lot but it costs a bit more. Tamron 70-300mm is said to be good too but I don't have any experience with that.
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