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Old 11-03-2009, 21:41   #1 (permalink)
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So, what would you do?...

Ok guys n gals, here's the situation:

I am selling my Canon 40D and buying a Canon 5D Mk II. That bit is a done deal.

Canon have put the 24mm-105mm f4 IS L series lens as a 'kit lens' because anyone buying a 5D would absolutely want to use L series lenses, daft not to.

Ok, getting an L series lens is a no-brainer but I already have L series so that isn't an issue. But I have a 28mm-70mm f2.8 L series. This is a cracking lens with a decent wide aperture. I am considering selling this and buying the 24-105mm L series to replace it. Bear in mind the new lens will effectively cost 400 when bought with the 5D MkII as opposed to more than double that if bought on its own.

I see it this way: I am getting a better range and IS which is about 3 stops advantage. I am losing one stop (to f4) but gaining 3 stops in terms of hand-holding ability. I will lose a small amount of differential focusing because of the smaller aperture but as I am moving to a full-frame sensor, should not notice a lot of difference between f2.8 on an APS-C sensor and f4 on a FF sensor. Is this in accordance with the experience of those of you who have a FFS camera?

The option of keeping my lens and buying the new one is simply not open to me. I will need the funds from selling my 28-70mm lens (which I admit I love to bits) to buy the 24-105mm lens.

So, what would you do?

Cheers,
Rob

ps I have already read the thread about the flaring at f4 so no need to go down that road, I am happy to live with that as I rarely go to full aperture on any lens if I can help it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 21:47   #2 (permalink)
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Re: So, what would you do?...

i think it would be wise to sell it and by the 24-105 f4.... you will get a better use out of it anyway and with the lens you own im sure you will not use it down at f2.8 as much like you have said you rarely use it at the extremes of the full aperture.

i think you would always be able to buy a new lens if you decide you need it afterwards yes it may take a bit of time to get the funds to purchase it but im sure you will be better of with the other lens.

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Old 11-03-2009, 21:52   #3 (permalink)
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Re: So, what would you do?...

Buy the new lens....anytime you can gain IS in that focal range you should go for it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 23:19   #4 (permalink)
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Re: So, what would you do?...

I purchased the 5D Mark II with 24-105mm L kit lens on Saturday, the lens is excellent I would recommend it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 23:55   #5 (permalink)
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Re: So, what would you do?...

Looks like you've already thought this through well Rob, and I think going for the new lens is probably the better option in the end.
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Old 12-03-2009, 00:12   #6 (permalink)
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Re: So, what would you do?...

Definitely buy the new lens. I have used the 24/105 on a 5D Mk 1 for two years now and I strongly recommend it.
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Re: So, what would you do?...

I would buy the kit including the 24-105 and try out both that combination and the 5D with your existing 28-70L too. You can then sell on whichever suits you the least and if its the 24-105 you'll also make a nice profit in as much as it will be brand new and only cost you 400 while being worth approx double that.

As another 5D and 24-105L user though I find the range on the full frame excellent and this combination alone now covers 90% of my everyday shooting.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:34   #8 (permalink)
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Re: So, what would you do?...

The 28-70 is a highly rated lens as I'm sure you know Rob but if you are going to benefit from the extra mm' either end and IS then go for it
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:04   #9 (permalink)
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Re: So, what would you do?...

With the full frame you are getting you are going to loose a lot of "reach" that you are used to if you keep the 28 - 70. With the wider focal length range and IS it seems an obvious choice to sell the older lens and keep the 24 - 105 especially at the cost you can get it for.
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Re: So, what would you do?...

Thanks guys, looks like there is agreement all round really that the 24-105 is likely to suit my purposes most. I agree with you Steve about doubling up and then choosing the one I use.... and I would but unfortunately the funds are a bit tight at the moment so will only be able to buy the new lens after selling the old one and as I have to buy the new one with the camera, will have to make the decision so with the confirmation I've received from you guys, I think my mind is made up :o)

Cheers all. Still got about 5 weeks to wait yet but I'll be putting the 28070mm in the Classifieds section in a couple of weeks.... and the 40D in there soon after!

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Re: So, what would you do?...

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I'll be putting the 28070mm
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That's exactly what I thought
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Rob, I really would follow Steve's advice & ensure you have both lenses to compare, before deciding which one to sell. Ifyou buy the new kit on credit card, if you time it right you'll have about 6 weeks before needing to pay for it .... more than enough time to test & sell the right lens

Re the 2 lenses, If you rarely shoot wide open, the f/2.8 advantage seems to disappear. I think you'll keep the 24-105
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Re the 2 lenses, If you rarely shoot wide open, the f/2.8 advantage seems to disappear. I think you'll keep the 24-105
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Agree with that to Rob & then its up to your experience & knowledge that you have.
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Re: So, what would you do?...

Thanks all, sure wish I did have that 28070mm lens, I'd be the best paparazzi on earth. Could take photos of Hollywood stars without leaving home

That's a good point about the gap between paying on CC and payig the bill so thanks Dave. I might yet have a way around this though: a friend has got the Canon 5D Mk 11 and has got the new kit lens. Bless his dear soul he has offered to lend it to me for a week. No I know, not something I would have considered normally either but he's going in for a hip replacement op and won't be using it :o)

Now I promise, I will not be praying for a slow recovery just to keep his camera and lens longer :o)

It will give me a chance to try my 28-70 on it though and compare the two. Could have my whole problem solved thanks to the NHS and a hip-op :o)

Cheers guys,
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Don't sell the 28-70!
Well, I wouldn't. I just love that lens for low-light work, and IS doesn't stop subject motion! You'd be one stop worse off with f/4 IS, not two or three stops better, if you shoot moving subjects in low light.

You'll lose IQ if you sell the 28-70. You'll lose subject isolation, you'll lose low-light ability, you'll lose contrast, quality of bokeh, low distortion and low flare. You'll lose "pop".

On the other hand, the 5D2 will give you approaching 2 stops more sensitivity than the 40D, so with the 24-105 f/4 IS on a 5D2 you'd have more sensitivity than now with the 28-70 f/2.8 on a 40D. You'll get a waterproof lens (I think), and I've read that 5D2's hate water so it might help. 24mm is usefully wider than 28mm, and you can take out the barrel distortion in PS. You don't have to use the lens beyond 70mm where it goes softer. IS is wonderful if your subjects are static.

However, there's something very special about the IQ of the 28-70 that I would never exchange for the utility of the 24-105. I'm very glad you'll have the chance to compare these lenses.

I must confess I have not tried the 24-105. Too slow. No point for my low-light work, and the reported IQ wasn't attractive for my other work either. When I bought my 5D2 I considered getting the kit, then selling the lens on eBay, but at the time the numbers didn't add up to a profit. Now it would probably be worthwhile.

Whichever lens you choose, I wish you great enjoyment and lasting satisfaction with your choice.
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p.s. Do read Krich's post on FM Reviews - EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM

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