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Old 25-04-2014, 00:52   #1 (permalink)
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Tips on getting depth in a image

Ok I have a Panasonic DMC G2 camera and some one has suggested I need some depth in the image, ok I have looked at some of the internet suggestions some are a little hard to understand

so can some one tell give me some tips that are basic and simple to understand

I am still reading the manual and working things out

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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

Could be referring to Shooting at the beginning and end of day.

Mid day the sun is high so small shadows making everything look flat.

The golden hours (Beginning and end of the day). not only give you a nice golden colour. The shadows add depth.

Also when you take a shot try a lower or higher angle as stood bolt upright is viewed as a tourist shot although
i have taken some great shots this way. Always worth bending a knee.
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Old 25-04-2014, 02:20   #3 (permalink)
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ok thanks for that
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

Low contrast will tend to give a lifeless 'flat' image and Fiz is right that you will get greater contrast when the Sun is low. However you will have to be careful not to block out details in the shadow areas. I'm guessing that where you are the sun will be very strong and the dynamic range between the lit areas and the shadows will be high and so difficult to photograph, so think of your angles and walk around to see how different a scene looks from different angles.
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Thanks guy s
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

Can you control the Lens Aperture with that camera ? (F-Stop)

If you can shoot at high F number for a greater depth of focus (field) in the shots.
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

Best thing to do is post the image so we can see what you are talking about.
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

Like John I would like to see some examples of shots where you feel that depth is missing. There are a number of reasons that people will criticise depth so here are a few to think about:

Getting a feeling of distance by getting everything in focus
Landscapes often want everything in focus and landscape photographers often use high f/stop numbers (small apertures) to achieve this. To add to the illusion of sharpness, as Fiz pointed out, morning and afternoon / evening light can help with longer shadows.

Getting a feeling of depth by isolating the subject
Conversely you might want to emphasise a person standing in front of a landscape. You would then want subject in focus but the landscape still recognisable. Here you would use a medium f/stop, say f/4 or f/5.6 for a 50mm focal length.

Macro photographers often want all the subject in focus but the rest out of focus. They can achieve this by getting very close to their subject and using high f/stop numbers. The limiting factor with macro is that the closer you get to the subject, the further away the lens effectively is from the film- / sensor- plane. This lowers the light arriving at the sensor and macro photography is often supported by flash to increase the light. Another technique is to take several photos as slices (different focus points) of the subject using the best f/stop for the camera lens combination (often around f/8) and stack them - needs a stationary subject.

Positioning your subject relative to the whole image can also affect the feeling of depth of the picture. If you take a person in front of a landscape and everything is in focus the picture will look flat, so make sure you use a suitable f/stop and focus on the face of the person.

Looking a some of your photographs so far you are often allowing the camera to short focus - focus on areas in front of your subject. The cat photos have the focus point in the grass and not on the cats. You can avoid this by using spot focus. If you used a focal length of 200mm and an f/stop of f/4 (if possible with your lens) and focussed carefully on the cats you would find that the shots would give you a feeling of depth by isolating the cat.

As said putting up example some shots will guide future comments
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image



this is the image that some said it needs depth
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

My thoughts on this are
Great lines with the fence
to much sky dominance
Dark shadow on right pulling attention away from fence
shot at about 13-14:00 in after noon so very stark.

I have cropped to give the fence full attention
lost some of the sky
sharped as dont have original shot
Checked hysteresis and adjusted light levels
turned to black and white. just because.

This is just how i see it and I am sure there will
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thank you for that looks much better
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

I think that the picture is lacking a subject. The fence gives a good lead line, but as you eye travels along it there is nothing to go to/focus on/arrive at. Some sort of point of interest in the RH mid ground/horizon would make all of the difference I think.

To say it lacks depth is not really helping. I would have included all of the nearest post, and this lower angle might also reduce the amount of sky. The shadow in the RH bottom corner could be lightened to reduce its impact, but also could have been excluded by moving to the right a bit, or shown in its entirety by moving back a little. Obviously, we don't know if there was anything futher to the right that you did not want in the shot. Fiz's solution of cropping it out does make a difference, and is a stronger image, but the fence is still not leading to anything.
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

I think the sharpening and slight crop of the sky have really helped. Love the lines in the fence.

This viewer likes the lead into space. So I don't agree with Graham on this occasion about it lacking a subject. Maybe a nearby fence post / but then maybe not.
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

I don't always adhere to rules but when I saw the triangle the fence made. Then the implied one with the bushes I though all the other stuff had no substance so removed it.
To me the fence was the point of intrest and a nice fence at that. You don't have to see all of something for it
To be the main subject.

As I didn't have the real photo it was limited what I could do.
Worth looking at shooting in raw if possible as when these type of comments are made it
Gives you more options.

As for the comment about needing more depth. I wouldn't pay to much mind.or task them for more info as It could refer to a lot of things.
The origonal isn't that bad. If your not sellimg it and It looks how you wanted it then that's good enough for me.
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thanks for the feed back



this is what it is like from across the road from the fence nothing for 300ks and then you arrive in Mildura our closest town

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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

I love fences, your picture is wonderful. I look for interest in fences all the time when traveling down the road. Bragging, i received photo of the week once for a intersection of old fences mixed with weeds, tree and wires and a fence with a rocky road. Out of the picture is a big old horse watching me and a dog that wants to eat me. I say love your fences and display them often. Mine sometimes float buy with an old house and never get noticed, to me they might be the focal point.
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Wow that is a view of vast nothing. Amazing to think how far it goes
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Re: Tips on getting depth in a image

chrisa I did the 350ks drive last year at night and did not see one car on the road till I was almost into mildura and they were heading for broken hill

I spend the entire drive dogging Kangaroos all the time but I have a roo bar and decent spot lights
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...I spend the entire drive dogging Kangaroos...
I take it that's a malapropism, dogging means something else in the UK.
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yes lol some times the road is like down town Baghdad with so many dead roos hit by car and trucks
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I noticed that you were taking some star shots and had that unfortunate eclipse day. I bet with nothing for 300ks that you get some nice "dark" skies out there. Was thinking that shooting the stars with that fence could make a great shot.

Simpbow posted a tutorial on the site here - I tried it in Scotland in a dark sky spot and it worked for me with a bit of experimentation.

http://www.pixalo.com/community/tuto...ars-51665.html
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Yes summer time is the time for that it often site about 90 pluss degrees at night and does not go below that

So I will do as much learning as posible and when summer arrives I will definitely be getting into it

aS I said in the intro day time temps average over 100 pluss often hitting 115 degrees but winter is not a happy time for me I have a major spinal injury and suffer serious cronic pain so when it gets colder I tend to suffer really bad and I am not as mobile as summer.

Thank for the link i really do appreciate it and hope to be able to get some good shots in summer

I just saw some shots of the solar elipse in local paper and they were stunning it seems that Queensland was the only place to get any images
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Ok the image you saw in the other post was south of Broken Hill today a image looking west chrisa and this image is some thing many many people have seen when watching Mad Max the first movie many of the scenes from the movie were shot in this location


It is called the Mundi Mundi Plains and you are looking to toward South Australia and NSW is 1 mile out in the middle of the plains sadly the hills that this picture was take the Barrier ranges will soon to be filled with huge wind turbines a controversial decision an amazing place to visit and it is only 60 ks from town
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And this car is parked a the Pub next the mundi mundi plains and it is called the silverton pub a outback meca

the car its self was in the movie Mad Max
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Now that you mention that film, can see how it was shot there. Like the car, also I note it has a cool plate.

90 at night, wow. Real hot. Certainly you won't freeze when it comes to taking the skies later on.
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chrisa I have been told by relatives from Glasgow that i would not last there summer time I walk around in shorts tee shirt and thongs average temp is 100 pluss and a hat

my Uncle asked my parents does he not own a pare of shoes they just laughed

but there is a nasty little surprise for those who just wear cheap foot ware or in many cases non it is called the bindy a *****ly little bugger goes right through the soles of thongs and hurts common weed all over Australia
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