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Old 02-06-2007, 15:32   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys, have been looking at Hoya pro1 uv filters but there seems to be 2 different kinds DMC & HMC, i cant see any info on the diffference between the 2 anyone have any clues, cheers Simpbow.
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Re: UV filters.

The DMC ones are the new Digital Multi Coated type which are supposed to 'greatly reduce the appearance of lens flare and ghosting'.
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The DMC ones are the new Digital Multi Coated type which are supposed to 'greatly reduce the appearance of lens flare and ghosting'.
Good man P-E that was bugging me couldnt
find info anywhere,cheers.
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Re: UV filters.

No problem mate.

There is a little explanation on Warehouse Express website in the Hoya filter section.

Cheers Ian.
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Cheers Ian thanks for that.
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Re: UV filters.

Also check out the SRB web-site. It has some info on the site and if you download the catalogue, it is packed with info,tips and advice.
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Re: UV filters.

The latest greatest one is the Hoya Pro1 Digital UV, which is DMC + LPF ... Hoya love their acronyms

BTW LPF = Low Profile Frame, i.e. very thin to avoid or minimise vignetting.
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Re: UV filters.

I use their low profile filters on my 17-35 as I had some slight vignetting with a different model. I recently put one on my 24-105 as well which helps when I'm using a polariser on top.

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Re: UV filters.

O/T..... I've recently changed from using the Hoya Pro ones in favour of B+W....I prefer the build quality and they do appear to wipe clean easier.
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Re: UV filters.

Excuse me butting in but I just wanted to thank Mr Dabhand for the pointer to SRB. I wanted a neutral density graduated filter to experiment with and their prices are pretty good but also handily supply a whole range of step up rings so I can use my whole collection (of two) lenses.

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Thanks guys for all of your advice, been a great help.
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I use their low profile filters on my 17-35 as I had some slight vignetting with a different model. I recently put one on my 24-105 as well which helps when I'm using a polariser on top.
I'm led to believe that it's advisable to put the polariser on first, next to the lens. Just thought I'd share that for those who are not aware

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Thanks guys for all of your advice, been a great help.
So what did you get??
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I'm led to believe that it's advisable to put the polariser on first, next to the lens. Just thought I'd share that for those who are not aware



Ok, who or what is SRB? Graham?


So what did you get??
Hi Charlotte, You may be correct for the Polariser to go on first but I find this is not very convenient. I always have a Skylight (1B) fitted to my Canon 17-85 IS lens and then it is easy to fit the Polariser on and off as required . Generally the Polariser is off the lens more than it is on ,mainly because of its two stops light reduction. The other way round with the Polariser first, means you have to split the two filters to put the Skylight back. I use the Sky light purely as a lens front face glass protector.
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Re: UV filters.

It's interesting to hear the way you work with filters, Brian + I'm sure many others use your method too, for convenience sake. My way is convenient to me because ...

I shoot mainly outdoors, so my polariser is on more than it's off. I have 2 filters on semi-permanently, polariser + UV. UV stays on the outside as protector (being generally cheaper than a polariser, albeit sometimes marginally). If I'm shooting indoors or in low light, i.e. when I need the extra stops (+ don't need the polariser nor the UV on anyway), I just unscrew the whole shebang, being polariser/UV/lens cap, in one go, shoot with bare lens, then replace the filters/lens cap when I'm done.

Ref losing 2 stops of light, that's not necessarily the case, as you can rotate the polariser for varying levels of effect, or even rotate it so it's at its minimal effect, where I would guestimate that the reduction in stops is minimal.

Anyway, each to their own, + we all have methods which are preferable to us for one reason or another. Thanks for sharing yours Brian, it's useful to get ideas from others
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It's interesting to hear the way you work with filters, Brian + I'm sure many others use your method too, for convenience sake. My way is convenient to me because ...

I shoot mainly outdoors, so my polariser is on more than it's off. I have 2 filters on semi-permanently, polariser + UV. UV stays on the outside as protector (being generally cheaper than a polariser, albeit sometimes marginally). If I'm shooting indoors or in low light, i.e. when I need the extra stops (+ don't need the polariser nor the UV on anyway), I just unscrew the whole shebang, being polariser/UV/lens cap, in one go, shoot with bare lens, then replace the filters/lens cap when I'm done.

Ref losing 2 stops of light, that's not necessarily the case, as you can rotate the polariser for varying levels of effect, or even rotate it so it's at its minimal effect, where I would guestimate that the reduction in stops is minimal.

Anyway, each to their own, + we all have methods which are preferable to us for one reason or another. Thanks for sharing yours Brian, it's useful to get ideas from others
Hi Charlotte, I really appreciate your comments,I'm always learning from these discussions about photography.As a retired engineer I can't resist experimenting and quite often regretting my actions when the whole setup stops working!!!.

I took on board the rotation for minimum effect and for reference I noted these results.

Just pointing the camera mounted on a tripod, at this thundery sky with a I bit of blue we have here at the moment.
A) Maximum Polorising effect 1/100th @ F8
B) Minimum Polorising effect 1/125th @ F9
C) Without the Filter 1/200th @ F11

From these results Charlotte your quite correct there is a "half way point" of light reduction. Your method of the UV filter last on, does protect the more valuable Poloriser .

I did think that just looking at the two bits of rotating glass being so dark there must be significant light reduction ,similar to wearing sun glasses.

Many regards Brian
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Ok, who or what is SRB? Graham?
They are a company who used to be based near where I live that specialise in filters and lots of other stuff too (rocket blowers/tools/and other accessories). They used to make their own stuff until recently, when the global market made it uneconomic for them to carry on as manufacturers on the scale that they used to be. They still make some stuff, and can make bespoke items, but the recent merger with Griturn has seen a web site as well as a retail business, and the introduction of other brands of filters at good prices.

I got a lens hood and a 1b Hoya filter for my nifty for about 22 inc p&p. If I had visited their shop in Luton - under 20!

Their site and catalogue is packed with tips and advice, and they are gennerally good eggs I've been using them for years and have always found them to be excellent.

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Re: UV filters.

Been watching this & find it very interesting for all the different ways that they can be used & still get great results with the end product,thats helped alot.
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Thanks for the info + link re: SRB Graham

I repeat, Simpbow what did you end up getting (if anything, yet)?
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Thanks for the info + link re: SRB Graham

I repeat, Simpbow what did you end up getting (if anything, yet)?
Sorry Charlotte missed you somewhere along the way, thinking of getting Tokina 12-24mm but wasnt to sure about what filters to use but know now what to get hoya dmc uv & dmc circular polariser.
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Re: UV filters.

Then you must get the low profile ones Simpbow, the ones I mentioned early on in the thread, or you will have a big problem with vignetting, which is much more of an issue with ultra wide angles, especially if you're going to use two filters together
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Cheers Charlotte.
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Re: UV filters.

I appreciate this info too! I had NO idea how many there would be to choose from. This gives me a great place to start.
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Many thanks OP and all for usefull info - I'm also deliberating on the Tokina 12-24 because it can be used on fullframe cameras but am concerned about the vignetting problems especially when evident with the smaller digital sensors.
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