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Old 04-04-2008, 21:23   #1 (permalink)
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Well, after I've said that wedding photogaphy is something that I have no interest in whatsoever, today I've landed myself my first gig

My brother's getting married in August, and we were chatting about the wedding today. I made the mistake of asking my future sister-in-law if they'd got a photographer organised yet ... well you can guess the rest

Be prepared for lots of questions in the coming months

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There are only really two books that you need IMHO

The Art of Digital Wedding Photography by Bambi Cantrell & Skip Cohen

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Contemporary Wedding Photography by Julie Oswin & Steve Walton

They're my "bibles", so to speak - and I've found I've never needed any other guides.

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You're going to need a second body for back-up purposes, a shedload of CF cards and I might suggest the 70-200VR lens to replace your 70-300VR... if you can't afford these, then rent them for the day from hireacamera.co.uk
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Congrats Charlotte - I'm sure you'll do a great job
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Old 05-04-2008, 01:36   #4 (permalink)
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VP - Followed those links + they all look good, thanks Re: 2nd body, yep I guess this assignment is my cue to go get that D300 Re: the 70-200 VR, I had considered this lens before but couldn't justify it, but I can see it will be needed on this occasion, and a good investment I think. If I pull this job off, it will give me the confidence to do more If I make a hash ... well that doesn't even bear thinking about, so I'd just better not!

Willow - Thanks for your support, I'll certainly do my best! I think this will be good for me, as I need a challenge to push me forward with my photography, which I feel has been rather stagnant, from a lack of inspiration really - just not knowing what to shoot! But now I have a project to undertake, and much to prepare for ... at last, photography with a purpose
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yes - purpose, I agree. Thats why I joined a Camera Club to help add some purpose with the various comp nights etc - also here with the challenges. But as you mentioned in the other thread - with full time work etc it's hard to get out and take pictures.

See here it is Sat morning and I'm inside chatting...but the MOTH (Man of The House) is currently casting the very pregnant belly of a young lady and so I'm hanging round in case he needs me ...and no its not to keep an eye on him......she has a girlfriend here chaperoning as well........

This is the third girl he has cast......
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Casting?
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I think Willow means making a plastercast of the woman's prenancy bump... the resulting sculpture is a sought-after 'keepsake' by many mothers-to-be these days - right up there with contemporary fine art style pregnancy portraits that emphasise femininity and the maternal glow.

(you can just tell that I'm branching out into fine art portraiture, eh? )
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There are only really two books that you need IMHO

The Art of Digital Wedding Photography by Bambi Cantrell & Skip Cohen

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Contemporary Wedding Photography by Julie Oswin & Steve Walton

They're my "bibles", so to speak - and I've found I've never needed any other guides.
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Good on ya Charlotte. .... gives you something to get your teeth in to
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I think Willow means making a plastercast of the woman's prenancy bump... the resulting sculpture is a sought-after 'keepsake' by many mothers-to-be these days - right up there with contemporary fine art style pregnancy portraits that emphasise femininity and the maternal glow.

(you can just tell that I'm branching out into fine art portraiture, eh? )
you're exactly right VP - unfortunately the heat from the plaster made the poor girl feel faint so the cast had to abandoned but they're going to have another go next week using alginate (dental casting material) which doesn't have the heat reaction and sets heaps quicker. (its also a lot dearer but not unreasonably so). Then he'll have to make a plaster version from that then ultimately it'll either be in ceramic or possibly bronze in which case he'll use wax instead of plaster.
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GOOD ON YOU CHARLOTTE, THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF THREADS ON HERE, ABOUT WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHY THAT MAY BE OF HELP TO YOU,ALSO THE BOOKS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.

ONE THING I AM CONFUSED ABOUT, YOU MENTION BUYING A 70 - 200 VR LENS, BUT HAVEN'T YOU GOT AN 18 - 200 VR LENS, I THOUGHT THIS WOULD DO THE SAME JOB, OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING
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Thanks for clarifing "casting", never heard of this before! I would indeed think that a direct heat source onto her tummy would make a mum-to-be feel a bit funny, and not do much for the baby either ... her feeling qeasy was probably the baby wriggling around trying to get away from the heat! Has this pactice been medically approved? The 2nd method you mention Willow sounds much safer + more comfortable for Mum + baby

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Good on ya Charlotte. .... gives you something to get your teeth in to
Cheers Dave, yes I think I needed something to be plonked in my lap to get me motivated, and I think this is the ideal project to do the trick!

I also think I needed motivation to drive all the way across country for the wedding, as they live in Yorkshire My daughter will also be a Flower Girl, so now I have double motivation
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Cheers Woody

The 70-200 VR lens VP mentions is a fast 2.8 lens, whereas mine is a "lesser" lens @ f/3.5. The fast lens will be needed for indoor shots, to maintain a reasonably fast shutter speed to capture the day in nice sharp pic's

I also have the 17-55 2.8 lens, which will be fitted on the 2nd body, so that the full focal range is covered + readily to hand, so that I can capture (close-up) portraits or (wider) group shots on the spur of the moment.

It's all about quality, Woody, and you can't take chances at weddings, if you want a good set of images to present to the happy couple

Edit: I've just corrected the description in my camera gear: I'd inadvertently put "VR" next to the 17-55 2.8, and as VP will have picked out (but graciously not pointed out) this lens does not have VR

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Good luck Charlotte, its something that i don't know a lot about but knowing the knowledge that you have am sure you'll be fine.
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I think the trick is never to say never! lol I said that and now I actually love doing it, its so much fun, the stress, the running about ,the people giving you evils because they don't want you snapping them...... no joking , wedding days are one of the happiest days of peoples lives and its so nice to present people with the pictures after the event.

I bet you get the bug Charlotte

I would recommend hiring an external flash (thought you hadnt got one sorry if you have) or buying one, although its not allowed during the ceremony (reg office and some church's) its invaluable for the reception etc.
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Thanks simpbow I fully realise that having knowledge is one thing, but putting theory into practice is quite another! I'm sure as the event grows nearer, I will be feeling the nerves, as I've never photographed anything for anyone other than myself before But gotta start somewhere, and what could be a better place to start than my brother's wedding - he knows the score with me

About getting the bug for weddings Summer ... not sure about that yet Thanks for the tip that flash might not be allowed for the ceremony, I'll have to check on that for this event I will be getting the SB800 speedlight.

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Let's see now ... Checklist so far:
  • Get some books on Wedding Photography (done) + using flash (in particular the SB800)
  • Buy: D300; SB800; 70-200 2.8 VR; CF cards; extra batteries; (maybe grip a bit later on).
  • Learn flash photography.
  • Learn how to use the D300.
  • Practice portraiture, group shots + candids.
  • See if I can arrange to go along to a wedding shoot, if I can find a friendly local 'tog.
Going to be a busy bee I have about 4 months to prepare

Edit: Dunno how much this wedding's costing my brother + his beloved, but it's costing me a bloody fortune! LOL
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Good luck Charlotte,

a wedding is a good reason to splash the cash eh?

if you can get someone to assist you on the day, it will prove invaluable. Also make sure you check out the venue near to the time of the wedding. I recently took the shots at a wedding at my local registry office to find that the usual vista of rolling hills in the background had been obliterated by scaffolding and JCB's......

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CHARLOTTE, I UNDERSTAND NOW, WHY YOU WANT THE 70 - 200 VR, IT MAKES SENSE.
WITH ALL THE THINGS IN YOUR CHECK LIST, YOU WILL BE BUSY TILL AFTER BREAKFAST.

WEDDINGS CAN BE A VERY TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE, IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY
YOU DO, YOU ALWAYS WORRY THAT SOMETHING WILL GO WRONG, AS YOU ONLY GET ONE CHANCE AT IT.

A FEW THINGS I ALWAYS MADE SURE I HAD WERE, WHITE COTTON, BLACK COTTON,
NEEDLES AND PLENTY OF PINS. YOU NEVER KNOW IF THE BRIDES DRESS MIGHT GET A TEAR IN IT, OR THE GROOMS SUIT. ALSO IF IT IS A WINDY DAY THAT'S WHEN THE PINS COME IN HANDY, AS YOU CAN PIN THE DRESS TO THE GROUND.

IT WOULD ALSO BE A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT THE CHURCH BEFORE THE DAY, INSIDE AND OUT, ALSO SPEAK TO THE VICAR / PRIEST ETC, AS TO WHETHER THEY WILL LET YOU USE FLASH ALSO HOW NEAR THEY WILL LET YOU GET INSIDE. I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO DO, AS IT IS A FAIR DISTANCE AWAY.
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Thanks for the tips Hooky + Woody

Woody, I wouldn't have thought it was my job to sew up the bridge and/or groom's clothing LOL, but will bear adding sewing kit to my gear in mind Good idea to pin the dress to the ground if it's windy ... except maybe afterwards when it's time to liberate the bride ... now to find all those pins without anyone getting injured
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I DID NOT MEAN IT WOULD BE YOUR JOB TO DO THE SEWING CHARLOTTE, BUT MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT THINK OF TAKING A NEEDLE AND COTTON TO A WEDDING, THIS WAY YOU HAVE IT TO HAND IF IT IS NEEDED AND SOMEBODY CAN DO THE SEWING.

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Tent pegs possibly for the dress ............sorry, mad sense of humour
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Also make sure you check out the venue near to the time of the wedding.
I'd definitely echo this, as this is your 1st wedding pre planning is essential. Look for nice areas in the grounds where you can do shots of the various people there, remember you'll need to find areas with different amounts of space as there will no doubt be big group shots aswell as the more intimate couple shots.

A shot to do check-list (e.g bride/groom parents, best man, bridesmaids etc.) will also definitely be something to prepare and take with you on the day, you don't want to get home and realise you forgot to get an important shot of the inlaws.

One other bit of good advice I've heard before is to find that one member of the family (and every family has one! ) who knows everyone and isn't afraid to speak up and push people about, then rope them into helping you organise the group pics. They'll be a great help

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Woody - Phew! about the sewing, that was enough to put me off doing the wedding I'm just kidding with you Woody

Raymo - I'll be needing to keep a serious sense of humour on the day methinks

Sonsey - Thanks for the tips

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... Ashot to do check-list (e.g bride/groom parents, best man, bridesmaids etc.) will also definitely be something to prepare and take with you on the day, you don't want to get home and realise you forgot to get an important shot of the inlaws.
Already did that this morning

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... One other bit of good advice I've heard before is to find that one member of the family (and every family has one! ) who knows everyone and isn't afraid to speak up and push people about, then rope them into helping you organise the group pics. They'll be a great help
That would be my brother Seriously tho' I haven't even met his bride-to-be yet (why do I keep typing "bridge" instead of "bride") let alone any of her family. However, they (bro' + bride) keep threatening to come + visit me, so hopefully they will before the big day

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... ...Oh and good luck, your braver than I am!
Thanks, I'll need all the luck I can get! There's a fine line between brave + stupid I think

PS Re: taking a reccy before the big day is definitely something to plan for, + I may have to go up a day or two early.
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Old 06-04-2008, 01:33   #25 (permalink)
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Let's see now ... Checklist so far:
  • Get some books on Wedding Photography (done) + using flash (in particular the SB800)
  • Buy: D300; SB800; 70-200 2.8 VR; CF cards; extra batteries; (maybe grip a bit later on).
  • Learn flash photography.
  • Learn how to use the D300.
  • Practice portraiture, group shots + candids.
  • See if I can arrange to go along to a wedding shoot, if I can find a friendly local 'tog.
Going to be a busy bee I have about 4 months to prepare

Edit: Dunno how much this wedding's costing my brother + his beloved, but it's costing me a bloody fortune! LOL
I think I've spotted an omission in the checklist.

* Knock 'em dead outfit.

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Let's see now ... Checklist so far:
  • Get some books on Wedding Photography (done) + using flash (in particular the SB800)
  • Buy: D300; SB800; 70-200 2.8 VR; CF cards; extra batteries; (maybe grip a bit later on).
  • Learn flash photography.
  • Learn how to use the D300.
  • Practice portraiture, group shots + candids.
  • See if I can arrange to go along to a wedding shoot, if I can find a friendly local 'tog.
Going to be a busy bee I have about 4 months to prepare

Edit: Dunno how much this wedding's costing my brother + his beloved, but it's costing me a bloody fortune! LOL
Just so long as they dont expect another pressie as well!!
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I think I've spotted an omission in the checklist.

* Knock 'em dead outfit.


Good point but if it was me I'd make sure it was something with trousers so you can move around, kneel bend etc without having to worry about your modesty!

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Good Luck a wedding is a big task I'm pretty sure you will handle it.
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Charlotte dont get lost with all the information overload and dont start spending small fortunes on new equipment incase this or that goes wrong, beleive in yourself and your current equipment.

Tips think of 10-20 (no not the lens) 10 -20 standard shots that you must take. keep these on a tick off list in order as they would appear, from brides arrival to the happy couples departure, anything in between you can either snap away like crazy or compose yourself and the shots.

Try thinking of the end result before youve even started and work backwards, how many shots in the finished album, proofs even photo books. Got a friend who can come along and act as a second photographer? this can be really handy in getting shots of guests that you might not see all helping towards the finished product.

I mailed you my website yesterday have a look at the wedding link and feel free to pinch my ideas (and photos for reminders if needed).

i like the idea of pins but be carefull last thing you want is for the bride to have an early ***** in her

take a few boxes of confetti for that shot
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anti persperant for about 2 minutes in as the sweat will be falling off you nahhh take it easy and try to enjoy it, take it in and learn from the mistakes that will inevitably happen on the day

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Hi Charlotte

I've done 5 or 6 weddings now both film and digital but I'm still no expert by a long way, however my current list is:

Have two of everything in-case something fails, even photos with a kit lens are better than no photos at all.
Lot's of spare batteries.
Lot's of spare film / memory cards (4 * 2 Mb cards are better than 1 * 8Mb card). What if one fails?
Get a list of photos the happy couple expect, for two reasons, 1 it's easy to get flustered when there's lots to do and no time to do it and 2 it stops faux-pas "Can I have the bride's mother, please?" "err no, she died last year" . and you can tick them off as you take them.

Be prepared to take lots of indoor photos if the weather's bad i.e. a good flash or two, wireless preferable.
Have fun it's a happy day.

I hope this helps, Steve
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