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Old 03-01-2014, 22:50   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys, recently got a few new filters to go along with my Lee kit, question is as am unsure as to what order they go after filter adaptor is attached, eg filters you want to use for shot,

Camera/CPL/F.Holder/ filter?/filter?
Camera/f.holder/filter?/filter?/105mm ring + CPL

1. Hoya Pro 1 slim C. Polariser 77mm screw [glass] [or should i be using 105mm CPL] glass
2. Lee Pro Glass 0.9 Nd 100 x 100 [glass]
3. Lee GND 0.6 100x 150 [Resin]
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Re: What order?

Not a clue about filter order, but I do know that ideally you should not stack filters! The fewer surfaces between the subject and the sensor the better. Having said that, it is something we all do, but as to the 'right' order, not sure there is one
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Re: What order?

What about glass/resin order to be used with polariser, is there a certain way that should go then
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Re: What order?

I have the Nikon Linear Polarizer from the 70's. It was issued with its own lens hood which I took to mean that the polarizer should be in front of other filters.

I'm not sure it really matters but just thinking about it a bit I would tackle wide angle lenses from the point of view of construction and get the widest filter nearest the lens and then stack. For a standard to telephoto I might look at the refractive index of the filter material and use the lowest RI (least internal scatter), or thinnest material at the front.

I think the most important objective is to avoid vignetting and ghosting or lens flares. You can check ghosting or lens flares by shooting into the Sun or bright lights and see if filter order makes any difference, but I doubt it. If one filter causes lens flares then I imagine it will do it whether it is at the front or at the back.
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Re: What order?

So i would be ok say if i went camera/f.holder/nd pro glass/nd grad/polariser?
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Re: What order?

I've never tried to put that much in front of the lens but it's probably the order I would use if I were shooting film, given the filters I've got. Digital might behave differently. It's probably worth experimenting, essentially in difficult lighting, to see if there are any adverse effects due to the order.
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Re: What order?

Practice makes perfect, nice thing about digital, does not cost anything to try. I also have a lot to learn about filters so will be watching the replies. Thanks.
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Re: What order?

My inclination is to say there should not really be an order in which things need to be stacked. with the exception of filters that rotate (CPL) should be on the end.

Every piece of glass/resin that you place between your subject and the sensor will cause some lowering of the quality of light. Increase the chances of causing a reflection or flaring, etc..

So don't buy cheap filters.
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Re: What order?

I would strongly advise against stacking filters. I once accidentally had two filters on my camera (UV & polarising both good quality glass filters) during a studio shoot. I noticed on the LCD screen on my camera that the images looked a little soft or low contrast but initially did not understand why. After a while it became clear that the images were very poor so I stopped shooting and then discovered the filters and removed them. Results were clear and sharp after this. It is quite normal to have lights in front of the camera in a studio lighting set up (although the lights are not in the frame) and these peripheral lights can cause flare which is seriously worsened by additional surfaces such as filters. As in this case, the flare may just exhibit itself as low contrast which may not be noticed until it is too late. I very rarely use any filters now but would certainly avoid them if taking shots towards any light source (sun or artificial). The only time I use a filter now is the very occasional low speed water shot using a 6stop ND and the occasional use of a polarising filter. I have no other use for filters.
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Re: What order?

Thanks guys some very interesting answers here that should give a clearer picture as to what to do first of all i don't want to put to much in front of the glass either, for seascape using either 11-16mm or 18-70mm all i would really want to put on is 6 or 10 stop nd filter [B+W this would be single coated filter] then if need be nd grad this would be [Lee resin] if sky needs done & that would be it, even with this i would still -/+ the images so i can blend in PS, with the new filter i have now got Lee Pro Glass 0.9 Nd [glass filter] this would be kept for landscape with Lee Nd Grad 0.6 if need be,but again i -/+ images to blend, for Pro glass this is what Lee say [

The ProGlass ND is an extremely high quality glass ND standard filter optimised for use with digital cameras, but equally useful for film.

This new filter uses a surface coating made from evaporated metal, and therefore provides very even absorption across the visible spectrum and through the UV and Infra Red regions.

Digital SLR users need to use ND standard filters to prolong exposure times in bright conditions for landscape photography, but the excess UV and IR can cause colour problems in some lighting situations. The ProGlass filter reduces any chance of false colour casts, and also provides a result described as punchier on digital and film because the light forming the image is more specific to the requirements of the film or sensor.] what am thinking is if you have a glass filter that should be the 1st filter that you should put in front of the lens on the 1st filter slot so its glass to glass & then resin grad if needed
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I think the answer is simple enough just try out the combinations and see what works best on your gear. It will probably be of great PRACTICAL value and take less time than reading this lot!!!
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Re: What order?

As Above, experiment experiment experiment....
Stacking filters, I have never found the need to do that myself, but perhaps you want a certain effect?...

Yes they will alter the light, but only experience will tell you if that is the way you want it?....

The wonders of Digital.
I can change my filter from polarized and turn the filter to polarize in a certain direction, and then review the result, immediately.....

I was photographing Fish in a pond on a bright day.
I got some very good results, but quite a few Duds before I worked out what worked?...
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