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Old 14-04-2009, 10:24   #1 (permalink)
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What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

I posted about this in the "Photoshop, destroying photography" section a few days back. It is crazy, I had the same problem yesterday, I was taking some photos of a old church where I was approached by two people who asked why I was taking photos.

I explained I was taking them for a project I was doing, they said that it was a quiet village and I shouldn't really be doing it. At this point I did get rather annoyed, I wasn't rude, I just said "I am doing nothing wrong, It is not like I am pointing my camera at you or your houses" to which they finally agreed. But to be honest, I took a few more photos with them standing there watching and I didn't get what I went for.

I let them win and I often find myself doing that, When I am left alone, I would check my histrogram and sharpness and all other details to make sure I have got what I want before I left the scene, this time I didn't, I had them playing on my mind and I left without getting the shot.

If someone distracts me then I often fail and beat myself up, I am not as confident as most people when it comes to these situations.

I guess I have to overcome this, any tips on how and can any of you share your similar experiences?

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Old 14-04-2009, 11:20   #2 (permalink)
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Re: What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

I guess I've been lucky, the only people who've approached me have been interested in what I'm doing. I've come to the conclusion that people don't feel threatened by a woman taking photographs.
Best thing is to be confident (not always easy and I'm hopeless) and friendly. Explain about your project, but try not to get embroiled in any arguments, you know you are right. If they keep watching, just take it slowly, think about the shot you want and keep going, they would probably lose interest when they realise that you are doing exactly what you said, I know that is easier said than done and I've felt the same if being watched.
Don't beat yourself up, keep going and the confidence will come. As for it being a quiet village, I hardly think the noise of your shutter would be that loud
I used to be very shy, but since going out with the camera, I've found that it's just not the case any more, I talk to anyone and really enjoy myself. Don't let a few miserable old gits get to you.
Oh, have you tried going out with a group to photograph things? That can help.
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Re: What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

Being young is a crime in itself these days - especially to these middle class, dail wail reading, tory arses who seem to inhabit these small villages up and down the country.

At a guess they've read about the recent google blockade and in their overly simple and prejudiced minds, you're just as heinous as the google car

**** em. Small minded whelts. Next time, as whip says, be polite, friendly etc but if it's looking like they are gonna start hassling you again, ask for their names so you can report them to the police for harassment. Just remember you're doing NOTHING illegal.
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Old 14-04-2009, 12:02   #4 (permalink)
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Re: What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

You can buy a great t-shirt on the internet that says "I'm the one the Daily Mail warned you about" LOL, I was going to buy it for my son. Now that would be fun to wear.
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Thanks for the comments. It is annoying to find yourself being harassed when you are doing nothing wrong. Maybe it is my small town, strange people here. Idiots.

I might go out again after work, there are some more shots I want to get of this church.

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Re: What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

Whereabouts are you? You ought to get a group outing going to photograph the church

Just smile at them, maybe take out a couple of shots you've done before with you and offer to show them, you never know it may break the ice.
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Just noticed you are from the Northants too. I am in Kettering. You?

Are there any groups around this way, It would be great to get out and about with a fellow Photographer.

I shall take my hard hat with me tonight in case the old lady comes at me with her bag.
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Old 14-04-2009, 16:58   #8 (permalink)
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Tell em to get lost this time!
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Re: What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

Go and get the vicars or church wardens ok,then if you are bothered by anybody again tell them,and do not be too polite,to bugger off!
Also carry a small note book and pen,any unreasonable attitude from anybody,ask for thier names and address and tell them you are going to report thhem to the law for harassment!
Assert yourself but don't be agressive!
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Old 14-04-2009, 17:42   #10 (permalink)
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Re: What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

I'm in Wellingborough, just down the road, if you fancy any cycling photography, just pm me & I'll let you know what's on, as that is mainly what I do. I don't know many photographers round here, but occasionally go out with a group from Bedford.
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Re: What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

While I do not generally find this a problem possibly because I am older. I would recommend that, for a really good photoshoot, you prearrange to venue possibly for a group trip. Apart from Club organised events, many members of my club go out shooting in pairs or larger groups. I sometimes wear a name badge with the word Photographer so nosy people tend to assume that you must be official or authorised in some way. Churches are very helpful so contact the Vicar or Church Warden and ask for permission (and make a small donation). If you do this, you can really relax and enjoy the photography and, if the locals know this, they can also relax. Send the church contact a few nice photographs which can be used in the Parish magazine as well.

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Old 14-04-2009, 18:14   #12 (permalink)
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Good advice there Dave.
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Great advice there. Thanks a lot all.

I would go out in a group if I could but there doesn't seem to be many around my way.

I am going to do some research of places around Northants and plan any shooting in advance. I will take my course module with me too and explain I am a student, it seems to work better than anything else.

Whipspeed I shall drop you a line when I am back later.

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Old 14-04-2009, 19:23   #14 (permalink)

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I TYPE USING CAPITALS DUE TO A DISABILTY

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HI, IS THERE A CAMERA CLUB NEAR TO YOU. I DO NOT KNOW HOW OLD YOU ARE BUT MAYBE A YOUTH CLUB, WHERE YOU MIGHT FIND OTHERS WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN PHOTOGRAPHY.
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The point is we should not have to do any of this!!!! they are all just jobsworths who do not listen to what they are told, I dont do much street photography in this country anymore but even now when I stop to look at something people stop and ask what I am looking at!!! you just try looking up at the glass roof in a shopping center, within a few minutes all the pundits are looking up as well!
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Re: What is wrong with people... Another Harassment!

Nathan, that is a good idea, people can really turn round if they are interested.
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I'd ask them what their problem was? And if you know its annoying them, take your time to really nark them off!
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No point in full blown confrontation. Tell them what you are doing, involve them, (they are just as much victims of current paranoia as you) and get on with it. Q"What are you doing?" A "Waiting for the setting sunlight to hit the spire" Could just shut them up or you might find some helpful assistants?

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Thanks Roger and to everyone who has commented. I just need to be a little tougher when it comes to this. I am not committing a crime after all.

I shall try my hardest from now on to get on with it and get my shot.
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I don't want this to come out of the wrong way, but judging from your avatar, would it be fair to say that you're in your early 20's and might look like one of those weirdo heavy metal types? *

This is blatant stereotyping on my part and I suspect the aforementioned idiots made the same presumption?

If so, then much as I'd be inclined to tell them to politely go #### themselves, you might get less hassle if look more like a fuddy duddy aka someone over the age of 35.

But to reiterate the points already made, if you are in a public place then you have as much right as pretty much everyone else and politely pointing this out should be all you need to do. Have a read up on the various comments about photograhers rights so that if you get challenged again you can authoritatively state your case.

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No... I hate heavy metal music, Led Zeppelin were not heavy metal I must point out!

Anyway what I look like is besides the point, I am just your normal lad in his 20's, If you want me to do some snapshots of my attire I can do...

I know what you mean and please don't take this the wrong way those of you that are 35+ but I would have thought a older bloke with a camera would have put more people off than a normal looking lad in his 20's.

Strange.Eh?
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As I said, never been hassled, even set up with my tripod in the middle of the town center on a busy day to take some shots for a work website and nobody took any notice. Maybe 43 year old women are invisible
As I've said before, the right attitude, Morlandranger & Dave Canons aswers are spot on & the next time they see a photographer they may not be confrontational having met a nice one, anyway, that's what I think.
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Ever been on holiday ,when having a meal, these people come round and slap lighters on your table with a message saying.. we are deaf and dumb [ please buy me !} and when leaving the bar, you see these so called deaf and dumb sorts having a really good laugh ... well i would carry a similier note and when confronted from the local band i would give them the note .. saying something like [unless you can sign i cant hear you ] Deaf .
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The point is we should not have to do any of this!!!! they are all just jobsworths who do not listen to what they are told, I dont do much street photography in this country anymore but even now when I stop to look at something people stop and ask what I am looking at!!! you just try looking up at the glass roof in a shopping center, within a few minutes all the pundits are looking up as well!
I used to do this with a few friends for giggles.. we'd stand and look at the same spot on a ceiling and see how long it would take until other people started looking. If anyone ever stopped to look we'd walk away chuckling! This was even funnier outside when we'd point at the sky...
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LOL my hubby used to have a distant relative (very distant or we wouldn't be married) that used to do that, but they did call him mad uncle eddie
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Anyway what I look like is besides the point, I am just your normal lad in his 20's, If you want me to do some snapshots of my attire I can do...

I know what you mean and please don't take this the wrong way those of you that are 35+ but I would have thought a older bloke with a camera would have put more people off than a normal looking lad in his 20's.

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True, what you dress in should be irrelevant but unfortunately for some morons this isn't the case. I prefer to go with the 'blend in option' myself.

Conversely, having hi vis clothing on and/or other stuff that makes look official can be just as bad as you can end up with people asking utterly stupid things or venting their ire at you

I'd stick with being comfortable with your reasons and your level of access - a public person shooting in public and politely stand your ground.

Two years ago I was shooting an evening cycling event and was sighting up on the on coming traffic for setting my exposure. About 5 mins later I get some irate woman on the other side of the carriageway trying to have a go for allegedly trying to take a picture of her car.

She really didn't have a clue what she (thought) she was talking about and I said as much. As is often the case, I should have asked her why she was acting so guiltily, was she driving whilst on the phone? but only thought of this retort afterwards....
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Another favourite with your m8s is to stare intently at some spot. When you catch em looking at it, quickly stare at something else.

It's the psychic equivalent of: -
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"Can you speak up, I can't hear you."
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I'm not the best person to ask, as I usually go out of my way to antagonise people who get my back up. I think in this case a reply along the lines of

"I'm taking some location shots for an up coming rave party . Are you coming ?", would probably have got a good reaction
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Cheers Mike. I do understand what your saying and I don't want to come across as being brash. I just have to bite the bullet and sometimes stick the "V's" up to them, not literally though because that would be rude.
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