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Old 17-02-2008, 09:37   #1 (permalink)
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Whats the difference between these filters?

I need to buy a 77mm filter and after deciding that I want a hoya Pro1 I then found out that there are two different types...


Hoya 77mm Digital Multi-Coated (DMC) Pro1 UV Filter


Hoya 77mm Super HMC Pro 1 UV (O) Filter

Price for both is identical, the first one says digital multi coated but the second one is HMC which I presume means H(something??) Multi-Coated too? So whats the difference between these, and does the digital one really make a difference or is it just hype?
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Old 17-02-2008, 09:52   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Hoya web site no help at all.....
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

I think it's designed to reduce ghosting etc that you get from the sun on digital sensors.
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Old 17-02-2008, 15:06   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Which is, the D version? And where did you get the information?
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Sorry yes the D one, and I believe I asked the same question somewhere, or to someone a while ago, or read it on some website (not the hoya one I don't think)
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

At work (and I also apply this all of the time now) I've always used the ABC system.

A - B - C

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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

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I need to buy a 77mm filter and after deciding that I want a hoya Pro1 I then found out that there are two different types...


Hoya 77mm Digital Multi-Coated (DMC) Pro1 UV Filter


Hoya 77mm Super HMC Pro 1 UV (O) Filter

Price for both is identical, the first one says digital multi coated but the second one is HMC which I presume means H(something??) Multi-Coated too? So whats the difference between these, and does the digital one really make a difference or is it just hype?
HMC stands for Hoya Multi Coated
SHMC stands for Super Hoya Multi Coated. This one does not have the front female thread. So you can only "clip" things on the front on the filter.No good if you have the Canon hood or another filter.

And yes "D" is the digital filter.and is 3mm thick which may help reduce vignetting when using extra wide angle lens.
I hope this helps Brian.
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Old 17-02-2008, 16:45   #8 (permalink)
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Sorry yes the D one, and I believe I asked the same question somewhere, or to someone a while ago, or read it on some website (not the hoya one I don't think)
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I research everything I buy with my own money, there is no offence meant but I like to know what I am getting for my hard earned. There is nothing worse than an uninformed and bad purchase that could have been avoided with just a little research

If you wish to buy it for me to try then I will totally 100% trust you, no questions asked.
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HMC stands for Hoya Multi Coated
SHMC stands for Super Hoya Multi Coated. This one does not have the front female thread. So you can only "clip" things on the front on the filter.No good if you have the Canon hood or another filter.

And yes "D" is the digital filter.and is 3mm thick which may help reduce vignetting when using extra wide angle lens.
I hope this helps Brian.
Great info Brian. So since it's going on a wide lens and I wish to avoid possible vignetting plus I would like to clip on my lens cap when its not being used...which should I get
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

I don't have any Hoya filters, but my lens caps that grip inside the filter threads can be fitted to mine with no problem. It is the lens hoods that can have problems as they can't be locked on unless they can fit over the filter and still reach the bayonet fittings on the lens.
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Steve try these sites.
Hoya Filters Information Page.

Hoya Camera Filters. Hoya Pro 1 digital filters at photofilter.com

I think it has the answer to that and more.

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Old 17-02-2008, 17:08   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Cheers for the links...off to look.

Dabs I had a very thin hoya filter (Probably a Pro1 but I can't be sure) a few years ago and it definitely didn't allow the lens cap to clip on. In the end I had to buy a slot over type soft plastic cap that was a right royal pain. I really don't want to end up in that situation again but would like to avoid vignetting too.
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

This is turning into a nightmare.

The links above don't show the detail of the filter surround very well but from what I can tell, it does appear that a lens cap would not clip onto the inside like they do on 'normal' filters and lenses. Can anyone with a Hoya Pro 1 filter please confirm, or not, whether its possible?
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Do these pics help Steve? Not sure but I can certainly see a lip on the inside of the digital Pro (I know these are polarising filters but I think this part of the filter will be the same)

Digital Pro: http://www.photofilter.com/images/Digital-CPL-Profile.gif

Pro 1: http://www.photofilter.com/images/Hoya-Pro-1-cpl-profile.gif

Just that these are taken close-up and are nice and clear so might be of some help.

Haven't got one to confirm with myself.

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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

I have already seen those shots Rob but since they are of polarising filters I can't be certain that they are going to be the same on UV. Also looking at them it appears as though there is only two full threads on the inside and the rest of the space is sloping...which probably means that a conventional clip on lens cap will not work? Even if it could get purchase on the two threads the cap is not going to be flush against the ring and keep dirt etc out.
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I have already seen those shots Rob but since they are of polarising filters I can't be certain that they are going to be the same on UV. Also looking at them it appears as though there is only two full threads on the inside and the rest of the space is sloping...which probably means that a conventional clip on lens cap will not work? Even if it could get purchase on the two threads the cap is not going to be flush against the ring and keep dirt etc out.
Steve the Super HMC filters do not have a thread.
I have pasted theses notes which I understand were copied from the Hoya info.
This may give more confusion or clear up the confusion.


HMC (HOYA MULTI COATED)

These popular filters are renowned for their ability to minimise reflection

at the filter surfaces which reduces flare and ghosting. The result is an

average light transmission of over 97%, giving sharp contrast and well

balanced color. HOYA HMC filters are recommended for enhancing the

performance of today's multicoated lenses.

SUPER HMC

These outstanding filters offer revolutionary performance in light

transmission and color balance. 12 layers of Super Multicoating are

applied to the surfaces of the Skylight 1B and UV(0) models, which

produces an average transmission of 99.7%! Coupled with maximum

surface precision, this allows increased resistance to flare and stunning

images can be recorded at wide apertures without compromising the

performance of your lenses. Our ultra thin Circular Polarising filters have

seven layers of Multicoating applied to their rear surface to eliminate

internal reflections and ghosting. Advanced thin selective film is used to

guarantee perfectly polarised light with neutral color balance. Their slim

profile of just 5mm avoids any vignetting problems and makes them ideal

for use with wide angle lenses. There is no front female thread, but they

do accept our push-on lens caps.HOYA Super HMC filters will appeal to

the most demanding of photographers who require the ultimate in

performance.

PRO 1 FILTERS

New technology has enabled HOYA to produce superior performance

Skylight and UV glass is just 1mm in thickness, which is tempered for

increased strength. The glass is mounted in a super slim 3mm ring

(with front filter thread), which avoids vignetting and results in a 40%

weight saving over standard models. Twelve layers of super

multicoating are applied to the surfaces to produce an average light

transmission of 99.7%!

PRO 1 DIGITAL FILTERS

Newly formulated multi-coating for digital camera CCD or CMOS

sensor. These image capture devices are highly susceptible to

reflections - this stray light can ruin your photographs! Don't risk your

valuable photos by using bare-glass filters.

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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Hope this doesn't add to the confusion!

I have two Hoya Super HMC Pro1 77mm UV filters. They are thinner than standard filters and they do have a front thread. They are not the 'Digital' DMC ones which came out after I bought these.

If I were a cynic, I'd say that there is likely to be little difference between the HMC and DMC versions of the Pro1, except in the eyes of the marketing department.
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Silky, do your filters accept the standard Canon lens caps without any issues?
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Thanks for the reply Jack.
I research everything I buy with my own money, there is no offence meant but I like to know what I am getting for my hard earned. There is nothing worse than an uninformed and bad purchase that could have been avoided with just a little research

If you wish to buy it for me to try then I will totally 100% trust you, no questions asked.
fair response for the first part, but as for the end, er.... No
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Steve, I have a Hoya Super Pro 1 UV filter in 77mm for my Nikkor 17-55mm lens and it has threads to fit my lenscap on .
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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

Of course you could avoid all of these problems that Hoya suggest you may encounter by not using a UV fiter at all.

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Re: Whats the difference between these filters?

I have the Hoya Pro1 Digital filters (UV + polarizers) on all my good lenses.

Yes the thinness CAN be an issue.

The UV filter which I keep on the o/s of my macro lens is scratched This is the only casualty so far, but I do have to consciously take great care putting lens caps back on, to ensure that it remains so.

So these ultra-thin filters do have the advantage of minimising vignetting (particularly on ultrawide angles), but they also have the disadvantage of being too thin for lens caps, in my experience anyway.

My suggestion would be to get this type of filter for your 10-20mm only, and have the non-digital version filter for lenses narrower than this.

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Silky, do your filters accept the standard Canon lens caps without any issues?
Yep, on both the 17-40 and the 300 f/4L.
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Of course you could avoid all of these problems that Hoya suggest you may encounter by not using a UV fiter at all.

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But if you are clumbsy, or live by the coast with that blue haze, and when it,s windy,the corosive salt spray the UV,s are indispensable.
But I hear what you are saying, no glass in front is the best option if possible.
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