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Old 19-06-2007, 14:21   #1 (permalink)
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Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

Good afternoon everyone,

Just curious to know in what format my fellow members shoot their pics....

And what is the thinking behind why they think they are better off using the method that they do.

Reason for the question is that I need to hear peoples feedback regarding the method they adopt.

Despite some sound advice from one of my favourite people on here I would still like to hear all your views

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Old 19-06-2007, 14:41   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

I shot both. Since I am a newbie at this when I have time to think and plan I use manual settings and raw. Other than that I use the pre-programed settings and jpeg. Raw images are a lot moe flexabilty in post processing.
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Old 19-06-2007, 14:57   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

I shoot RAW 'cos I'm not too confident on my picture-taking skills, + use RAW as an insurance that I can use every last bit of tonal range + detail that I can muster in post-processing, so that I can be reasonably sure of a decent shot at the end of the day.

I know I've told you that already John, but I repeat it here for others who are also interested in the responses to your very valid question

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Old 19-06-2007, 15:02   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

Up until a few months ago I shot almost exclusively in JPEG, some of the shows I was covering meant 300-400 shots to process and that's a lot of memory. After experimenting with RAW during the winter I've now gone the other way and won't shoot anything but RAW, if you do make a mistake, either on exposure or WB or whatever it is easier and quicker to correct in RAW.

I also did a small experiment recently where I shot using both and you can really see the difference, the JPEG looked fine as a stand alone image but when compared with the RAW there was no contest.

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Old 19-06-2007, 15:08   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

I used to shoot just high quality jpg's but now shoot raw all the time, the main reason is because of the file size it allows you to obtain for picture libraries, I have even started shooting news jobs in raw as well. The ability to salvage badly exposed shots is in a way good but I feel that people should learn to get the exposure correct in the first place.
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Old 19-06-2007, 16:56   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

It depends what i am shooting cos memory storage is a concern for me. I usually shoot Raw cos i then have much more control over post processing. i do however agree with gary in that i do "try" to get as much right in camera as possible.
however for things like the 50th birthday i shot on friday i used high quality jpeg on the 9500 for the speed of shooting. and there was no wya i was using the canon for that.

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Old 19-06-2007, 17:03   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

Hi

I shoot in RAW only, this enables more contol post processing, I ony save the images I want as tiff's.
I always write all the RAW files to disk so keeping the originals. Then delete the RAW from the HD freeing up storage space.
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

I 'm a recent convert to RAW and wouldn't go back to Jpegs, RAW gives me that little extra scope to adjust things i didn't quite get right in camera!
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Old 19-06-2007, 17:08   #9 (permalink)
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What's JPEG?
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Old 19-06-2007, 17:12   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

I also shoot RAW. I used to be put off by the need to use a converter in the processing, but once you get your head around it there is no going back.
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

How strange, I seem to be the only JPEG lover here

My view is that RAW is good if you're doing big prints but JPEG readers will still be around when the code to display a particular RAW file is long lost. Nearly thirty years of working with computers and a lot longer taking pictures has made me very suspicious of any system, tool or format that's specific to a single supplier.
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Old 19-06-2007, 18:32   #12 (permalink)
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RAW for me..........gives me more flexibility to correct my errors.
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Old 19-06-2007, 18:33   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

Hi All,

Wow what a lot of support for the Raw format.

Can I ask how many of you just take pictures for your own pleasure with no intention of trying to sell your work, happy to just upload your work to Flickr or Pixalo etc.. This is my situation and don't know which way to jump.

What about your Raw file when it is saved to J Peg to upload to such sites isn't your Raw file quality lost then?

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Charlotte,

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Can I ask how many of you just take pictures for your own pleasure with no intention of trying to sell your work, happy to just upload your work to Flickr or Pixalo etc.. This is my situation and don't know which way to jump.

What about your Raw file when it is saved to J Peg to upload to such sites isn't your Raw file quality lost then?
I don't try to sell my stuff (but am always open to offers ) it is for my own use. I don't even uplaod much either, only what you see here. I don't have a web-site. I guess I'm just into it for myself.

When an image from a RAW file is saved in any other format, the original RAW file is untouched so can always be returned to and re-worked if needed. I tend to save the RAW's onto a CD (+ a back up) and save the ones I'm interested in as tifs, or sometimes HQ jpegs onto my 'E' drive.
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

I've only just started using Raw with my Fuji S9500. There are drawbacks ie you can forget action shots, but the S9500 wasn't any good in that department imho anyway. The file size did put me off (18-19meg a shot) but with the cheapness of cf and xd media it isn't an issue really. From what little experience I have of Raw I feel it helps me get the most out of the camera, bypassing the 'niggles' that other owners of the s9500 forever moan about ie the infamous sharpness issue. I use s7raw to process my images, a great little free app that's really easy to use. I suspect now I've dipped my toe in the pond that'll I'll continue using RAW.
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

Mainly my own pleasure (end up here), occasional commission (end up elsewhere!) and future intention of Stock

RAW (Sigma: tweak/convert) -> TIF (PS: tweak) -> JPG
Save all 3 types file (but only backup RAW)

If there was even the faintest chance of my losing the ability to convert RAW files, I'd convert them all to TIF first!

With RAW you're saving the maximum possible info. With JPEG you've already lost an appreciable amount. If you've got the info you can do something with it - if you ain't got it, you can't!
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Old 19-06-2007, 19:01   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

John,

Am I right in thinking that the 9500 takes an age to write a Raw file to the XD card?

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RAW only for about two years now, except, on odd occasions when I don't trust my evaluation of poor light I might shoot on Auto which is JPG only.
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RAW for me too, but I do it a slightly different way these days by using Bibble (plus a few plugins if necessary) and converting direct to a low-compression JPEG without needing an intermediate TIFF. I feel much happier about that because it's a one-stage process and it doesn't fill my hard drive with 48MB files.
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Am I right in thinking that the 9500 takes an age to write a Raw file to the XD card?

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I reckon about 8 - 10 secs, CF isn't much quicker, hence my realisation that I won't be taking action shots It's worth the hassle though. I reckon my images are much sharper, more vivid colourwise, less noise and with more dynamic rangewhen converted to jpeg. Oh, I'd love to get my hands on a 'proper' DSLR.
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John,

Get saving up your dosh, some good prices out there..

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John,, being a recent DSLR convert i know how u feel but dont ever stop using the 9500 cos its a terrific camera for what it is. No continuous shooting in raw which does make action shots Much harder but not impossible.

As to business or pleasure..... i dont advertise my pics for sale but i have sold one or two and been paid to take photos on a few occasions so im not averse to earning a bit extra! lol would be nice to earn more but i will have to get a whole lot better before that! so most of my photography is for the sheer passion I have for it

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Fi, I lurve my s9500. It's just the right side of big to carry around on a semi permanent basis, plus it's just right quality wise for my photoblogging of Hull, East Yorks and it's surrounding area. i really couldn't imagine carrying around a DSLR with a 28 - 300mm zoom in a rucksack on't way to work
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I shoot RAW, it allows me to correct mistakes in Lighroom,
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I shoot RAW, not to "correct" mistakes and unexpected results, but because I don't want to have to play with the myriad of settings (WB, Saturation, Sharpening, Tone, contrast etc etc etc) in the camera before taking a picture.
I much prefer worry about the real important stuff, (composition, aperture, shutter speed and focal length) at the scene and let worry about the others at my leisure, using software that's better at applying it than the camera's processor is anyway.
My camera (a Canon) comes with a piece of software that mimics the in-camera processing anyway, if all else fails.
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RAW when I have time to think about the settings ... or I end up with JPEGs shooting in Auto!! :grin:

RAW is really superior for post processing tweaks .....
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I always shoot in RAW because I think it ultimately gives you more control, but then use DxO Pro to convert everything to TIFF (for blow ups and quality work) and also JPEG ( for web work etc).

The original RAW are then archived to DVD
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What an interesting thread. I'm rather fascinated and amazed at the number of people who use RAW exclusively. I have used RAW occasionally, when I was doing some stock photography in particular, but now I use the JPG setting on my Canon 350D for speed and ease of use. For the images that I want to do anything with, I convert them to PSD in Photoshop CS2, make any tweaks and save as a JPG again.

However, it's piqued my interest now so I might have a bash at RAW again and see if I am happier with the results, as I don't seem to like many of my pictures at the moment. I think I'm getting too critical!
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Re: Who Shoots Raw Who Shoots J Peg???

Hmmmm...

Is there an option for this on non-SLR digital cameras as well. This is certainly news to me and something that I might have to explore. It seems that everything is automatically set to JPG, is it not???

Curious....

Something new for me to explore!!
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