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Old 12-04-2017, 15:38   #1 (permalink)
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Here is a B&W version of cottage dark and grainy. Comments welcome.
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Old 14-04-2017, 12:46   #2 (permalink)
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Is nobody interested? Can't be that bad.
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Old 14-04-2017, 13:17   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Dark and Grainy.

Think it works Colin, looks like an old photo.
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Old 15-04-2017, 17:09   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks Chrisa, That's exactly what I wanted to copy was old grainy film photo.
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Yes heavy grain can be very effective in mono
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Re: Dark and Grainy.

I must admit, I am not a lover of black and white and much prefer colour, but it certainly seems to be getting very popular in the photographic community.
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Thanks Jake and OXO, B&W depends a lot on the subject some things suit it better than others also one's own particular taste.
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Thanks Jake and OXO, B&W depends a lot on the subject some things suit it better than others also one's own particular taste.
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Re: Dark and Grainy.

I like some things better in mono.....someone I was talking to the other day was of the opinion occasionally colour can detract from an image though most times it enhances it
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someone I was talking to the other day was of the opinion occasionally colour can detract from an image though most times it enhances it
My own opinion is the exact reverse!

Colin - although I'm a black and white photographer by preference, I haven't commented on this photograph so far because it ticks a couple of boxes of things I don't like - grain and "unclean" (for want of a better word) borders i.e. irregular. I was going to say (and started typing) "not straight edge" but ovals and circles aren't straight but can be effective. These points make it hard for me to like it, but if it weren't for the edges and grain I'd give it a thumbs up for the composition and the tonal range (not to mention the feeling it invoked - oops, I mentioned it ).
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My own opinion is the exact reverse!

Colin - although I'm a black and white photographer by preference, I haven't commented on this photograph so far because it ticks a couple of boxes of things I don't like - grain and "unclean" (for want of a better word) borders i.e. irregular. I was going to say (and started typing) "not straight edge" but ovals and circles aren't straight but can be effective. These points make it hard for me to like it, but if it weren't for the edges and grain I'd give it a thumbs up for the composition and the tonal range (not to mention the feeling it invoked - oops, I mentioned it ).
Stephen, Thank you for an honest opinion that is what I like and that is why I posted the image for comments good and bad, that is how we learn. If everybody just wrote "Nice " or made no comment at all we would learn nothing.
I am not a lover of grain myself but did this just to be a bit different. As regards the edges this is a pre-set called "Torn edges " I believe it is an old fashioned thing from the past, not sure why. I added this as I thought it would go with the old grainy film look. Rather like Marmite you either love it or hate it.
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I believe it is an old fashioned thing from the past....
As am I .

I prefer a photographer to have confidence in photography, and adding "special effects" strikes me as lacking confidence in the image and seeking to mask it by other means. It's the old, old "straight photography" song - that a photograph should be capable of standing by itself without attempting to emulate painters.

In this specific case, the very first thing I saw was the sky, looking like no sky I've ever seen because of the speckling. I'd hazard a guess that adding grain (which wouldn't be observed in contact prints from large negatives) to a distressed border (which could come from hand coating large plates) is probably adding an anachronism to an imperfection...

What does work for me are the rich blacks.
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My own opinion is the exact reverse!

Colin - although I'm a black and white photographer by preference, I haven't commented on this photograph so far because it ticks a couple of boxes of things I don't like - grain and "unclean" (for want of a better word) borders i.e. irregular. I was going to say (and started typing) "not straight edge" but ovals and circles aren't straight but can be effective. These points make it hard for me to like it, but if it weren't for the edges and grain I'd give it a thumbs up for the composition and the tonal range (not to mention the feeling it invoked - oops, I mentioned it ).
I like a grain this size or smaller, pictures viewed at print size should hold their own. I just spent 3 weeks looking thru my archived library, only half way thru. And I have changed some of the processing I did from way back when. So many pictures were better because I followed my artistic urge. I like your picture Colin, and I say if you feel good let it fly. Stephen, Your not wrong as I respect your style but the first thing I looked at was the grain and it fit. Cheers
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Thanks Boofers glad you like the "Artistic" effects I have added. Stephen would disagree with this as he wrote "Special effects strike me as lacking confidence in the image " I would call it "artistic licence" , just trying to make a different image from the plain normal. As stated before "Marmite".
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Perhaps I should have said "lack confidence in the process (i.e. photography)" rather than "lack confidence in the image". The obvious attribute of photography is that it mirrors (apparently) what we see, and this can be used to surprise us with impossible scenes (think Jerry Uelsmann) or intensify nature without looking unnatural (think Ansel Adams). Others can try to emulate painters because they don't believe photography is a serious artistic medium (think Oscar Rejlander) - or just lack confidence in it.
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Perhaps I should have said "lack confidence in the process (i.e. photography)" rather than "lack confidence in the image". The obvious attribute of photography is that it mirrors (apparently) what we see, and this can be used to surprise us with impossible scenes (think Jerry Uelsmann) or intensify nature without looking unnatural (think Ansel Adams). Others can try to emulate painters because they don't believe photography is a serious artistic medium (think Oscar Rejlander) - or just lack confidence in it.
Stephen, In my ignorance I have absolutely no idea who the people are that you mention except Ansel Adams, I presume they are artists, but what has that got to do with the price of fish . I am not trying to copy anyone. It is not a matter having confidence in my image quite the reverse. I created an image which was different from the actual scene as it was at the time and I quite liked the result. If I did not think it was any good I would never have posted, It is not the best in the world by any means but still worth the effort in the making and therefore posting. I was just interested in the views of others good or bad.
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They're all photographers, but if you haven't heard of them they're equally useless as illustrations!

I obviously was unclear, because I never intended to suggest that you were copying anyone, nor that you had no confidence in your image. The "lack of confidence" refers to a lack of confidence in photography itself as a means of artistic expression; the belief that because it reflects exactly what is in front of the camera (which it doesn't) it's therefore impossible to use it as a creative medium. That's almost a cue to discuss Emerson and Stieglitz' strictures on his position. But as this isn't a history lesson I'll skip over it.

Jerry Uelsman is famous (in certain quarters ) for his darkroom work in creating the impossible images that everyone thinks only became possible with Photoshop. He was doing it years before...

Oscar Rejlander was a 19th century photographer who clearly believed that artistic photography was only possible if you emulated painters. His best known photograph was "The Two Ways of Life" which required upwards of 30 negatives in combination printing to produce a photograph in the style of a painting.
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