Ladybower B&W

P-E · 11-12-2006, 20:54

Well B&W is not my thing so an honest critique on this one is the only way I am going to learn........

skipper954 · 11-12-2006, 21:15

Hey PE

My feeling is that it is too dark. The land details, and the reflection are lost. If you could lighten that without blowing the bright clouds, that would help. Also the dark clouds and the bottom 1/2 of the water could be lightened, hopefully giving a wider tonal range.

skip

P-E · 11-12-2006, 21:25

Cheers Skip.......working on trying to improve it right now

cotter · 11-12-2006, 21:43

Well I have already said I like this in your gallery.
B&W is what I do most of but that makes me no expert!!

I like what you have done with this, it really draws you in. I can see were Skip is coming from with it being a bit dark.

I also think you are losing some of the detail due to the re-sizing for the web. I tried working on your colour one but it's just to small.

I think this would look great as an A3 print. The detail would really open up.

If it was my photo I would crop some water off the bottom and make a large panorama print 60cmX20cm.

I like it, it's sharp, moody and B&W what more does a picture need. nice one

I want that lens

Cotter

P-E · 11-12-2006, 21:46

Cheers Cotter.......I took the one in the gallery down and put a slightly lighter version up.

fionaB · 12-12-2006, 09:20

as has been said it is a tad too dark. the sky i would select and play with the contrast..... the land i would tweak the curves to bring it up a bit.. i do like this image as it has a lot of atmosphere. its just a tad dark to enjoy properly

Fi

P-E · 12-12-2006, 11:01

Just viewed this on a work monitor and it is so dark!.......it did look dark on my home monitors but they did show some detail in the landscape.

Appreciate the feedback.......back to the drawing board

TIM · 12-12-2006, 12:04

I simply boosted the shadows by 12% in CS2, and look at the difference! Don't give up on this image, it has potential!

Rob Barron · 12-12-2006, 17:08

I felt a letterbox crop would move the central line just a but further off the middle. I lifted the shadows a touch and cropped off more from the FG as this was fairly empty and made the bottom feel heavy. See what you think...

***Dave*** · 12-12-2006, 19:10

Ref processing I love the sky & water, but the land is lacking contrast for me. Quite often Ian I process the land in a sperate layer from the sky. Open a 2nd version of this colour shot & process purely to get land correct ...ignore what it's doing to the sky & water. When complete copy it on to this shot & it should appear as another layer. Now use mask tool to bring sky & water back from below. Finally tweak shot as required & flatten image

P-E · 12-12-2006, 19:23

Thanks to all for taking the time to give me advice......I am not one for cropping but have to agree it suits this image.

I will take all this good advice on board and give it another go

***Dave*** · 12-12-2006, 19:41

You can always put up a 1000 pixel colour job for pimping

P-E · 12-12-2006, 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

You can always put up a 1000 pixel colour job for pimping

I did think about that......will get one up for you experts to have a go at

P-E · 12-12-2006, 21:22

Well taking all the advice in, I have had another go and come up with this one......

cotter · 12-12-2006, 21:39

nobody likes a smart

....Well done very good conversion

11-12-2006, 20:54	#1 (permalink)
P-E Loves the place Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheffield, S.Yorkshire UK Posts: 7,661	Ladybower B&W Well B&W is not my thing so an honest critique on this one is the only way I am going to learn........

11-12-2006, 21:15	#2 (permalink)
skipper954 Feet under the table Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Southeast Florida USA Posts: 1,721	Re: Ladybower B&W Hey PE My feeling is that it is too dark. The land details, and the reflection are lost. If you could lighten that without blowing the bright clouds, that would help. Also the dark clouds and the bottom 1/2 of the water could be lightened, hopefully giving a wider tonal range. skip

11-12-2006, 21:25	#3 (permalink)
P-E Loves the place Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheffield, S.Yorkshire UK Posts: 7,661	Re: Ladybower B&W Cheers Skip.......working on trying to improve it right now

11-12-2006, 21:43	#4 (permalink)
cotter Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lauder, Scottish Borders Posts: 609	Re: Ladybower B&W Well I have already said I like this in your gallery. B&W is what I do most of but that makes me no expert!! I like what you have done with this, it really draws you in. I can see were Skip is coming from with it being a bit dark. I also think you are losing some of the detail due to the re-sizing for the web. I tried working on your colour one but it's just to small. I think this would look great as an A3 print. The detail would really open up. If it was my photo I would crop some water off the bottom and make a large panorama print 60cmX20cm. I like it, it's sharp, moody and B&W what more does a picture need. nice one I want that lens Cotter

11-12-2006, 21:46	#5 (permalink)
P-E Loves the place Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheffield, S.Yorkshire UK Posts: 7,661	Re: Ladybower B&W Cheers Cotter.......I took the one in the gallery down and put a slightly lighter version up.

12-12-2006, 09:20	#6 (permalink)
fionaB Loves the place Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,558	Re: Ladybower B&W as has been said it is a tad too dark. the sky i would select and play with the contrast..... the land i would tweak the curves to bring it up a bit.. i do like this image as it has a lot of atmosphere. its just a tad dark to enjoy properly Fi

12-12-2006, 11:01	#7 (permalink)
P-E Loves the place Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheffield, S.Yorkshire UK Posts: 7,661	Re: Ladybower B&W Just viewed this on a work monitor and it is so dark!.......it did look dark on my home monitors but they did show some detail in the landscape. Appreciate the feedback.......back to the drawing board

12-12-2006, 12:04	#8 (permalink)
TIM Getting Comfy Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 160	Re: Ladybower B&W I simply boosted the shadows by 12% in CS2, and look at the difference! Don't give up on this image, it has potential!

12-12-2006, 17:08	#9 (permalink)
Rob Barron Loves the place Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poole, Dorset Posts: 5,348	Re: Ladybower B&W I felt a letterbox crop would move the central line just a but further off the middle. I lifted the shadows a touch and cropped off more from the FG as this was fairly empty and made the bottom feel heavy. See what you think...

12-12-2006, 19:10	#10 (permalink)
*Dave* Pixalo Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15,355	Re: Ladybower B&W Ref processing I love the sky & water, but the land is lacking contrast for me. Quite often Ian I process the land in a sperate layer from the sky. Open a 2nd version of this colour shot & process purely to get land correct ...ignore what it's doing to the sky & water. When complete copy it on to this shot & it should appear as another layer. Now use mask tool to bring sky & water back from below. Finally tweak shot as required & flatten image

12-12-2006, 19:23	#11 (permalink)
P-E Loves the place Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheffield, S.Yorkshire UK Posts: 7,661	Re: Ladybower B&W Thanks to all for taking the time to give me advice......I am not one for cropping but have to agree it suits this image. I will take all this good advice on board and give it another go

12-12-2006, 19:41	#12 (permalink)
*Dave* Pixalo Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15,355	Re: Ladybower B&W You can always put up a 1000 pixel colour job for pimping

12-12-2006, 21:22	#14 (permalink)
P-E Loves the place Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheffield, S.Yorkshire UK Posts: 7,661	Re: Ladybower B&W Well taking all the advice in, I have had another go and come up with this one......

12-12-2006, 21:39	#15 (permalink)
cotter Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lauder, Scottish Borders Posts: 609	Re: Ladybower B&W nobody likes a smart ....Well done very good conversion