[Rob Barron]

Just want to clarify my point as Charlotte misunderstood it so maybe others have too.

NO WAY do I think it is helpful to have people just posting negatives and no positives or anything constructive. My point about making comments was the general point that a lot of people look but never say anything, be that positive or negative, and the reason the pictures are put here is for the feedback. Personally I try to put a bit of feedback, however small, on every picture I see in these two threads (Sharing and Critique) but I try always to look for a positive as well as any negative point and I try to comment on why I feel the negative has happened and a potential cure for a future picture in the hope it will help someone, and hopefully the taker of the icture.

So I am in agreement with you Charlotte, if you hate a shot and can't give any positive or constructive feedback then that is pretty pointless. If you hate it and can say why, that can be helpful but still remember you are talking to a human being, not to an anonymous picture snapper! And I entirely agree that comments should be measured in accordance with how much you have got to know a person. I do think though that most pictures that get posted have got something positive worth applauding even if the overall picture is not to your taste so a little one-liner is worth aiming for when possible.

I am always having a laugh and a joke with Fiona because I have got to know her well and she has become a friend. I think I have got to know Skip, Graham, Dave, Steve, and a few others enough to be able to have a little laugh at their expense.... knowing full well I'll get a jibe back! But I wouldn't dream of saying the same things to people I don't know so well. It doesn't matter how long they have been on Pixalo, it's about getting to know people and in a sense earning the right to say certain things.

Right, I am gonna shurrup now but I think your response Charlotte was measured and worthwhile. We will never always agree with each other and sometimes not see where others are coming from but let's hold on to the one thing we all have in common: our love for photography

Cheers,
Rob

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Charlotte

Right, here is my reaction to this critique :

Snip….Tim, on the other hand, is relatively new, + Tim, you don't know me well enough to tell me - in whatever words - that my photograph is so cr@p it's beyond repair!

I am sorry Charlotte but you are very wrong on this occasion. We have no hierarchy at Pixalo and it doesn’t matter if a reply from someone is their first post or 8000th it still carries exactly the same amount of weight. If you chose to ignore that and if it is a considered answer, then unfortunately the only person losing out is you.

Furthermore telling Tim that he can’t tell you (in a polite way) that your photograph is crap is wrong as well. If you post a shot in the critique section then you are opening it up to serious comments and feedback. You can’t expect everyone to like everything about every shot and so you must take the rough with the smooth. Quite simply if you can’t stand the heat then don’t post your shots for serious critique.

Again I will add that there are acceptable and unacceptable ways of wording critique, but I think we have got that message today already

Originally Posted by Charlotte

It is not helpful to tell me to go + shoot it again but better - if I knew how to do that, I would've done it in the first place - I've already been down that road with skip earlier in the thread. I posted my photo for critique to get feedback on where I went wrong and HOW I could've done it better, i.e. constructive comments that I can learn from + thus improve my photography. That's what the critique thread is all about.

Absolutely!!! But if Tim had known that you needed more specific advice I am sure he would have offered it. You could have also responded with another request for more help in a certain area too, that would have probably returned the information you were searching for without upsetting anyone.

In closing…Pixalo does not allow or tolerate personal attacks on ANY of its members. Everyone here is treated the same irrespective of their post counts or how long they have been members. If people cannot be civil to each other, threads will be closed and warnings will be given.

Play nicely, we are all adults and lets not get personal be it intention or not

I consider this topic closed and expect all further replies in this thread to be about Charlottes photo, if you have anything to add otherwise, please contact me by PM.

[Markulous]

My attempt:


Dodge and burn, saturation and brightness/contrast

[skipper954]

Very Good, Mark. The changes you made are not dramatic, but dramatically make this image stronger. Maybe even a cracking image.

And the sky is just what Charlotte was looking for.

Good job.

skip

[Charlotte]

Just spotted your pimp - that's great, Mark You've certainly brought out the detail in the middle + far ground that I couldn't get, + given it the depth it needed. Also, as skip says, you've managed to bring the sky detail back (with some resulting noise on the skyline). You also took the red out of the FG grass, which has helped to direct attention further back into the pic, + I see now that was a major problem in my original, i.e. I oversaturated the grass with red which, being an emotive colour, held the eye + placed too much emphasis on the FG, thus diminishing the rest of the pic's importance.

You've done a good job here Mark, thanks for taking the time to fix an image which others thought was beyond help

[Rob Barron]

Originally Posted by Charlotte

You've done a good job here Mark, thanks for taking the time to fix an image which others thought was beyond help

If I'd thought it was beyond help I wouldn't have done two different pimps of it. Danpen also did a pimp and said 'Nice landscape'. Fiona said 'Lovely shot', RichW said 'It's a lovely scene'....

I feel your comment has disregarded all the others and misrepresented us in what we actually said.

Cheers,
Rob

[Charlotte]

Originally Posted by Rob Barron

If I'd thought it was beyond help I wouldn't have done two different pimps of it. Danpen also did a pimp and said 'Nice landscape'. Fiona said 'Lovely shot', RichW said 'It's a lovely scene'....

I feel your comment has disregarded all the others and misrepresented us in what we actually said.

Cheers,
Rob

Obviously I didn't mean your good self, nor the people you mention. I do not want to name the person who classed the pic as a lost cause, as I already got into trouble for upsetting him, so chose to generalise, + now that has upset you. I give up.

My meaning here - it's gratifying to know that something could be done with it, after all.

[Rob Barron]

All understood Charlotte. No worries

It IS a lovely image, it COULD be improved (as was proven by Mark's and other pimps) and I am sure we learnt something from this thread. So we win all ends up

Ok, next image? Come on, no peace for the wicked

Cheers,
Rob

[pmueller]

OK, I also tried my luck with the sky. Here is what I came up with:

before


after


Like the sky?

Cheers,

Peter

[Dabhand16]

I know this is getting a bit old now, but how about this pimp? I could not get the sky as good as Peter though!

[Soupdragon]

I am not sure anyone can do much more with this picture.