[lifethrualens]

these are just a few from tonight, i tried to create a good look for them, using my typical style, i usually do very documentary style stuff, the lighting was pretty bad, but what do you think

[ChrisRabior]

As you've already discovered, black and white conversion can 'hide' a lot of the grain you get at higher ISO for concert shots and it gives a bit of an artsy look.

What'd you shoot with? Lens/camera/settings, etc?

[JMitchell]

I think the first one is decent, but still a little bit too dark, and the second and third (same image) is way too dark really, and not very sharp.
I know you say about your style like that piano picture you posted, but I think really the conversions you make need to contain more detail for other people to appreciate them. Your brain will be filling in the details because you saw the scene when you shot it, but others wont be able to do that, obivously.
Just advice ignore me if you like

[Dabhand16]

I can see where Jack is coming from. I guess the poor lighting is the root cause of the problem.

[lifethrualens]

Originally Posted by JMitchell

I think the first one is decent, but still a little bit too dark, and the second and third (same image) is way too dark really, and not very sharp.
I know you say about your style like that piano picture you posted, but I think really the conversions you make need to contain more detail for other people to appreciate them. Your brain will be filling in the details because you saw the scene when you shot it, but others wont be able to do that, obivously.
Just advice ignore me if you like

thanks for your honesty jack, but , theres always a but, i think as photographers or people who take photographs we have a set idea of how a picture should look, as you probably know im in higher education in photography, and it is drummed into us that this is not the case, its all subjective, and technical issues should always take a step back when taking your image, not saying technical aint important. (by the way the light was s***) but sometimes its about considering what you are looking for in your photograph. from a commercial point of view, i dont know, thats why i posted, will these students think its cool that they got to look like geldolf, dylan or bolan from a 70's shot. we do expect different styles of photography since the birth of digital, all of a sudden noise is bad, i think it makes these images, but hey, im buying into this too, i just ordered a D3, but really thanks for your comments,. the reason i find the feedback important is i need to find my true style, and i will always split opinion, but i dont wanna be seen as completly off the wall....gosh that was a lot of waffle ..lol

[JMitchell]

I agree with you, and I like the noise, as an aside
But on the other hand, there is still a case for saying that true style cannot be properly explored and developed until mastry of all technique has become second nature, and is therefore never the foremost element in your mind when taking the image, if you see what I mean. Of course there is opposition to that as well, like you have said, it's cool for the students to get 'iconic' shots of themselves, but as people like Martin have shown, there are ways to do this, and IMO yours were too dark, and his aren't. Not a dig at you, he's a pro, and you're a student, and I'm an even younger student so what do I know eh?

[lifethrualens]

his arnt dark because there was light my good man, you can reach limits with any machine, its how we deal with that, what is a pro, one who dosnt have time to consider, MAYBE.....Student talk. sorry martin

[lifethrualens]

when we go a little more light, which wasnt often i managed to to get this jack , more acceptable i think, but still not my fav

[JMitchell]

That's better in terms of light, but like I imagine you're saying, it's more generic, and I agree perhaps less interesting than your others.