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fionaB · 19-07-2008, 18:26

okies the following image may be seen as controversial at best, but i would be really interesting to find out what exactly invoke in you, if anything..... I am not going to voice my own opinion and feelings here just yet as i dont want it to colour anyone elses viewpoint.

bain · 19-07-2008, 18:57

Well i think this sort of photo will encourage political debate,[ is it polictical ?] or religious propaganda.Or maybe someone has just lost thier england see the conection, footie flag, on the way home from a game.

. but i will reserve judgement on this untill i feel more comfortable with who i,m speaking to.
you asked for a opinion

these are my first reactions to the photo

fionaB · 19-07-2008, 19:27

thats fine Bain thats what i asked for, folks opinion.

I dont know who did it but given the location i have a good idea what is meant by it.

Fi

the_frog · 19-07-2008, 19:37

Personally without context it evokes nothing - flag burning is old hat; in fact, I've often wished I had the flag concession in Baghdad - big moneyspinner, American flags.

I'm not offended by flag burning.

AQ · 19-07-2008, 20:48

No feelings here one way or another. A flag is just a bit of material to me. Loyalty to your country is something else inside.

silkstone · 19-07-2008, 20:58

I wouldn't even have recognised it as necessarily a flag! Maybe the full colour version would have made it more obvious.

It doesn't look like an old hat though....

Chilliman · 19-07-2008, 21:39

If that had been on Hadrians Wall I think it could have been a bit more interesting, Flower of Scotland would have came to mind.

silkstone · 19-07-2008, 21:49

I'll swap you Berwick for the Isle of Mull.

Charlotte · 19-07-2008, 21:53

From the pic, I have no idea what I'm looking at

From the comments I see it's a burnt flag. Other than that, I'm still in the dark as to the content/meaning of the image. My first reaction was that it looks like a giant leg/foot, maybe of a prehistoric bird

Whipspeed · 19-07-2008, 22:25

I could see it was a flag, and to be honest, my first thoughts were, nice bit of processing, it's not over done.

fionaB · 19-07-2008, 23:44

well thanx folks, i am actually surprised that not everyone thought it was easily recogniseable....... there ya go then ,,, anyway my first reaction when seeing this was ohhhh we havbe some patriots nearby. It was burnt on a fence at the back of Doune castle ( why doune i have NO idea) but yeah it is the Union Jack and i have no idea either if that is the actual story, but its the one im sticking with.
the reason for the selective colouring is that i wanted it to be more prominant than it was in full colour - and it was a HUGE pain in the rear end doing it!

So interesting to see different points of view, and not the reaction i expected i have to admit!

Fi

**Dabhand16** · 20-07-2008, 07:15

Now you have given some background info Fi, I think it was probably used to take some pictures (or video) of it burning with the castle in the BG. (Presuming the castle would be in the BG).

I'm led to believe that photo enthusiasts do things like this in order to make interesting and different photographs.

FWIW - I recognised it on the first viewing, but did not want to blow it for you in the first reply as it would have prevented the feedback you were looking for.

Considerate, or what?

P-E · 20-07-2008, 07:25

I didn't notice it was a flag at first but a nice bit of processing

Charlotte · 20-07-2008, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dabhand16

... I'm led to believe that photo enthusiasts do things like this in order to make interesting and different photographs.

...

Well, they could've cleaned up after themselves

lifethrualens · 20-07-2008, 19:09

my point on the selective colouring, is the same as explainging the image, i used it once a project and i was heavily critisised because i was not giving the viewer enough credit into reading it, i was told to put more trust in the image, i didnt agree at the time, however a year or so on, i understand were they were coming from, so im sure you will guess my comments that the selective colouring was not needed, as i think the image is a strong one, and not only does it lead you into what the story may be about, but may give us a clue to its location, but without the colouring, i think you got a strong image

M1ke A · 20-07-2008, 19:28

Just reading your opening paragraph confirmed my suspicion it was a flag.

However it looks quite liquid and I can decide if the selective colouring accentuates this?

As for flag burning, there are worse things going on today. If I saw it happen, I'd probably signal my displeasure at the pointless stupidity of the act but as it's likely to have been done by a (large) group of knuckle draggers, I probably wouldn't want to get too involved.

19-07-2008, 18:26	#1 (permalink)
fionaB Loves the place Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,637	controversial okies the following image may be seen as controversial at best, but i would be really interesting to find out what exactly invoke in you, if anything..... I am not going to voice my own opinion and feelings here just yet as i dont want it to colour anyone elses viewpoint. Last edited by fionaB : 19-07-2008 at 19:28.

19-07-2008, 18:57	#2 (permalink)
bain Getting Comfy Join Date: May 2008 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 143	Re: controversial Well i think this sort of photo will encourage political debate,[ is it polictical ?] or religious propaganda.Or maybe someone has just lost thier england see the conection, footie flag, on the way home from a game.. but i will reserve judgement on this untill i feel more comfortable with who i,m speaking to. you asked for a opinion these are my first reactions to the photo

19-07-2008, 19:27	#3 (permalink)
fionaB Loves the place Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,637	Re: controversial thats fine Bain thats what i asked for, folks opinion. I dont know who did it but given the location i have a good idea what is meant by it. Fi

19-07-2008, 19:37	#4 (permalink)
the_frog Getting Comfy Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 111	Re: controversial Personally without context it evokes nothing - flag burning is old hat; in fact, I've often wished I had the flag concession in Baghdad - big moneyspinner, American flags. I'm not offended by flag burning.

19-07-2008, 20:48	#5 (permalink)
AQ Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 1,193	Re: controversial No feelings here one way or another. A flag is just a bit of material to me. Loyalty to your country is something else inside.

19-07-2008, 20:58	#6 (permalink)
silkstone Feet under the table Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Silkstone Common, Yorkshire, UK Posts: 3,754	Re: controversial I wouldn't even have recognised it as necessarily a flag! Maybe the full colour version would have made it more obvious. It doesn't look like an old hat though....

19-07-2008, 21:39	#7 (permalink)
Chilliman Getting Comfy Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 177	Re: controversial If that had been on Hadrians Wall I think it could have been a bit more interesting, Flower of Scotland would have came to mind.

19-07-2008, 21:49	#8 (permalink)
silkstone Feet under the table Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Silkstone Common, Yorkshire, UK Posts: 3,754	Re: controversial I'll swap you Berwick for the Isle of Mull.

19-07-2008, 21:53	#9 (permalink)
Charlotte Loves the place Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Romsey, Hampshire Posts: 6,319	Re: controversial From the pic, I have no idea what I'm looking at From the comments I see it's a burnt flag. Other than that, I'm still in the dark as to the content/meaning of the image. My first reaction was that it looks like a giant leg/foot, maybe of a prehistoric bird

19-07-2008, 22:25	#10 (permalink)
Whipspeed Feet under the table Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1,528	Re: controversial I could see it was a flag, and to be honest, my first thoughts were, nice bit of processing, it's not over done.

19-07-2008, 23:44	#11 (permalink)
fionaB Loves the place Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,637	Re: controversial well thanx folks, i am actually surprised that not everyone thought it was easily recogniseable....... there ya go then ,,, anyway my first reaction when seeing this was ohhhh we havbe some patriots nearby. It was burnt on a fence at the back of Doune castle ( why doune i have NO idea) but yeah it is the Union Jack and i have no idea either if that is the actual story, but its the one im sticking with. the reason for the selective colouring is that i wanted it to be more prominant than it was in full colour - and it was a HUGE pain in the rear end doing it! So interesting to see different points of view, and not the reaction i expected i have to admit! Fi __________________ Canon All The Way http://www.fionabrimsphotography.co.uk Last edited by fionaB : 19-07-2008 at 23:46. Reason: had a thought.......maybe it was ginger spices dress!

20-07-2008, 07:15	#12 (permalink)
Dabhand16 Pixalo Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dunstable Bedfordshire UK Posts: 9,785	Re: controversial Now you have given some background info Fi, I think it was probably used to take some pictures (or video) of it burning with the castle in the BG. (Presuming the castle would be in the BG). I'm led to believe that photo enthusiasts do things like this in order to make interesting and different photographs. FWIW - I recognised it on the first viewing, but did not want to blow it for you in the first reply as it would have prevented the feedback you were looking for. Considerate, or what?

20-07-2008, 07:25	#13 (permalink)
P-E Loves the place Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sheffield, S.Yorkshire UK Posts: 7,806	Re: controversial I didn't notice it was a flag at first but a nice bit of processing

20-07-2008, 19:09	#15 (permalink)
lifethrualens Been here a while Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 405	Re: controversial my point on the selective colouring, is the same as explainging the image, i used it once a project and i was heavily critisised because i was not giving the viewer enough credit into reading it, i was told to put more trust in the image, i didnt agree at the time, however a year or so on, i understand were they were coming from, so im sure you will guess my comments that the selective colouring was not needed, as i think the image is a strong one, and not only does it lead you into what the story may be about, but may give us a clue to its location, but without the colouring, i think you got a strong image

20-07-2008, 19:28	#16 (permalink)
M1ke A Been here a while Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 325	Re: controversial Just reading your opening paragraph confirmed my suspicion it was a flag. However it looks quite liquid and I can decide if the selective colouring accentuates this? As for flag burning, there are worse things going on today. If I saw it happen, I'd probably signal my displeasure at the pointless stupidity of the act but as it's likely to have been done by a (large) group of knuckle draggers, I probably wouldn't want to get too involved.