Loch Lomond

Mike Aiken · 03-01-2006, 23:04

Hi Guys

Three shots to share of Loch Lomond taken on New Years Day.

Mike

Garnock · 04-01-2006, 08:04

Hi Mike,
Tell me to **** off if you like but I hope this can help. The images appear to be on the soft side. Take no 3 for example, the exif info says ISO 100, 59mm, f8 and 1/320sec. OK so that seems good. So either the focus is slightly out or perhaps it just needs some USM.
The images also seem a bit on the flat side so I'm wondering if these images are unprocessed, i.e. straight form the camera.

After a little levels, colour balance and USM the sharpness and contrast improve. Using the original would be better still.

P.S. I have a soft spot for this hill.

CT · 04-01-2006, 08:06

What a difference!

Mike Aiken · 04-01-2006, 10:13

Hi Garnock

You carry on, i appreciate it, i was pm'ing Matty last night, i was really getting frustrated, I shot the images in RAW, and processed them into tiff's, and was quite proud of how they turned out, however, from there to getting them upto the web i am having problems.

Would you mind if i emailed you the tiff for you to have a play with.

Thanks Mike

Marianne · 04-01-2006, 10:32

I love these shots, especially the middle one! Sometimes when you downsize a large image they become soft and need sharpening a bit to bring them back as they were in the larger file....apparently this is a known thingy but I made the observation myself.....why does it happen?

barrymoir · 04-01-2006, 10:35

I love the skies in these shots, its not often we get a decent sky in Scotland, or rather one thats not grey and dank.

Mike Aiken · 04-01-2006, 15:54

Have reworked this image using Photoshop and not my usual Paint shop pro.

Mike

Mike Aiken · 04-01-2006, 16:10

Reworked this one too in photoshop, it certainly makes a difference.

Mike

Garnock · 04-01-2006, 17:28

Massive improvement Mike.
I don't think you need any more help but if you still want me to look at the Tiff just PM me and I'll send you my e-mail address.

Nice work

Cameron

Rich · 04-01-2006, 19:07

Huge improvement! Nice shots

Matty · 04-01-2006, 19:31

much better Mike, the processed versions look much better, you always lose some resolution and sharpness on resizing, so always using the best possible resolution and sizes is what i try and do, resize image then save for web, this is the way i do it(no really, i have actually posted some shots before.....)

***Steve*** · 04-01-2006, 19:37

Save the sharpening until you have the picture at its final size, so get it to web dimentions and then sharpen, also try different methods of sharpening. I find that "Smart Sharpen" in photoshop works really well but Bachs has done a great tutorial which covers all the main ways and their differences, that can be found on the site here.

BTW I would just like to say that your reprocessed versions are very good and worlds apart from the first one in the thread. Well done

Mike Aiken · 04-01-2006, 20:31

Many thanks guys,

Just one question for Steve, when you say save the sharpening till you have the picture at its final size, would this be as a jpeg?

Thanks Mike

Bachs · 04-01-2006, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrymoir

I love the skies in these shots, its not often we get a decent sky in Scotland, or rather one thats not grey and dank.

Tell me about it!!!!

Mike, the shots are great...especially your verion #2's

Gandhi · 04-01-2006, 21:36

Nice to see some definate improvement there!

One thing I would add is......

When you resize your images smaller for web use, I would suggest using the 'bicubic sharper' option, as it will then remove the slight softening you get when downsizing an image.

My personal workflow is that I sharpen the image at the end of processing at full size and viewed at 100% so you can keep a careful eye on artifacts and halos etc. Then if it's going out to the web, I'll re-sample the image using bicubic sharper.

Seems to work ok.

Mike Aiken · 04-01-2006, 21:55

Many thanks Gandhi, will give it a try.

Cheers Mike

AquilaEagle · 06-01-2006, 17:18

Much better after you've altered them in PS Mike! Great shots too

03-01-2006, 23:04	#1 (permalink)
Mike Aiken Been here a while Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 417	Loch Lomond Hi Guys Three shots to share of Loch Lomond taken on New Years Day. Mike

04-01-2006, 08:04	#2 (permalink)
Garnock Getting Comfy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 242	Hi Mike, Tell me to ** off if you like but I hope this can help. The images appear to be on the soft side. Take no 3 for example, the exif info says ISO 100, 59mm, f8 and 1/320sec. OK so that seems good. So either the focus is slightly out or perhaps it just needs some USM. The images also seem a bit on the flat side so I'm wondering if these images are unprocessed, i.e. straight form the camera. After a little levels, colour balance and USM the sharpness and contrast improve. Using the original would be better still. P.S. I have a soft spot for this hill. __________________ Cameron** "We have fossils......we win." 2 cameras \| some glass \| legs & eyes Last edited by Garnock : 04-01-2006 at 08:12.

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Garnock Getting Comfy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 242	Massive improvement Mike. I don't think you need any more help but if you still want me to look at the Tiff just PM me and I'll send you my e-mail address. Nice work Cameron

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*Steve* Pixalo Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: An Englishman living in Germany Posts: 16,158	Save the sharpening until you have the picture at its final size, so get it to web dimentions and then sharpen, also try different methods of sharpening. I find that "Smart Sharpen" in photoshop works really well but Bachs has done a great tutorial which covers all the main ways and their differences, that can be found on the site here. BTW I would just like to say that your reprocessed versions are very good and worlds apart from the first one in the thread. Well done

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Mike Aiken Been here a while Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 417	Many thanks guys, Just one question for Steve, when you say save the sharpening till you have the picture at its final size, would this be as a jpeg? Thanks Mike

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